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Peter McCullough, MD Testifies to Texas Senate HHS Committee
Youtube ^ | March 10, 2021 | Peter McCullough
Youtube ^ | March 10, 2021 | Peter McCullough
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good afternoon i'm dr peter mccullough
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and i'm an internist and cardiologist
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and professor of medicine at texas a m
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university school of medicine i'm on the
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baylor dallas campus
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and i've been integrally involved in the
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response to covet 19.
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now the opinions i'll express are those
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of my own
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and not necessarily those of my
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institution
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i can tell you that in my field i'm an
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academic doctor i see patients but i'm
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very involved in research
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i'm an editor of two major journals in
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my field
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i'm the most published person in my
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field which deals with the heart and the
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kidneys
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in the world in history and when covet
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19
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hit i saw it as our medical super bowl
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and there were going to be doctors like
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dr urso coming out of
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wherever they worked to face the virus
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and there were doctors in the hospital
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that just had to receive
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the virus and then there were those who
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headed for the sidelines
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and then there were those that were
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detractors against the pandemic
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and so as i started to survey the
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literature
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i had patients with heart and lung
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disease who needed urgent treatment
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and i refused to let an illness which
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lasted for two weeks at home
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before they got sick enough to be
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hospitalized i refused to let a patient
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languish at home
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with no treatment and then be
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hospitalized when it was too late it was
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obvious that was obvious in
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april that that was the case so i used
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the best
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tools or drugs available at the time and
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these are
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appropriately prescribed
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off label remember a label is an
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advertising label a label isn't a
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scientific document
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sure it's there there is an
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appropriately prescribed
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off-label use of conventional medicine
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to treat
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an illness and i uh in may i put
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together a team of doctors
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because the the the group that was
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facing the pandemic to the greatest
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degree was in milan italy so most of
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them were in the coracle
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italian research network we summarized
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all we knew about the available drugs
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and we published our findings in the
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august
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8th issue of the american journal
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medicine and the title of that paper was
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the pathophysiologic basis and rationale
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for early ambulatory treatment and it
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had a premise
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there's two bad outcomes to covet 19
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hospitalization and death
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the second premise if we don't do
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something before the hospitalization
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we can never stop it we can never stop
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it and i have to tell you when
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i was a lead author in that paper but we
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had dozens of authors from italy
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india ucla emory we had the best
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institutions in the united states
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i can tell you the interesting thing was
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there was 50 000 papers in the
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peer-reviewed literature on covid
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not a single one told the doctor how to
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treat it
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not a single one when does that happen i
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was absolutely stunned and when this
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paper was published in american journal
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medicine it became a lightning rod oh my
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gosh it became the most cited paper
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in basically all of medicine at that
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time the world started and boy the world
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started knocking down my door and i said
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oh my lord i just can't believe what
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became untapped and um i
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had never been on social media before
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and
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my daughter who was home from law school
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was talking to her about it she said
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well why don't i make a youtube video
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so i made a youtube video with four
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slides from the paper
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this is a peer-reviewed paper published
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in one of the best medical journals
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in the world four slides i even wore a
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tie in a suit and she showed me how to
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record it in powerpoint and i posted on
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youtube
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it went absolutely viral and within
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about a week
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youtube said you violated the terms of
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the of the um
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community and that's when senator
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johnson's office got involved in
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washington said oh my gosh this is
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important scientific
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information to help patients in the
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middle of this crisis
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and social media is striking it down
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based on what authority
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well one thing led to another uh and i
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became the lead witness for the u.s
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senate testimony of
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november 19 2020 and the reason why
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there was senate testimony
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is because there was a near total block
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on any information of treatment to
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patients
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a near total block and so what had
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happened over time
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is that we had gotten into a cycle in
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america
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uh of no information on treatment
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patients actually think
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that the virus is untreatable and so
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what happens is they go out to get a
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diagnosis
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now i'm a coveted survivor my wife in
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the galley is a
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father in a nursing home is a cobit
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survivor
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you get handed a diagnostic test it says
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here you're covet positive go home
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is there any treatment no is there any
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resources i can call
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no any referral lines hotlines no any
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research hotlines
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no that's the standard of care in the
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united states
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and if we go to any one of our testing
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centers today in the in texas
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i bet that's the standard of care i bet
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that's the standard of care
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no wonder we have had 45 000
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deaths in texas the average person in
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texas thinks there's no treatment
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they honestly think there's no treatment
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they don't even know about these eua
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antibodies you heard from
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a 90 year old gentleman who got bam
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terrific
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where's the focus there's such a focus
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on the vaccine where's the focus on
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people sick right now
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this committee ought to know where all
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these monoclonal antibodies are they
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ought to know where all the treatment
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protocols are
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they ought to have a list of the
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treatment centers in texas that actually
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treat patients with covet 19. so i led
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the initiative
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the second paper was published in a
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dedicated issue of reviews in
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cardiovascular medicine now i had
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57 authors including dr urso dr
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emanuel uh lead doctors in houston san
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antonio all over and it was
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another worldwide paper and now we have
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it updated integrated
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so yes we used drugs to affect viable
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replication the antibodies are terrific
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we can use intracellular anti-infectives
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in that box
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we use corticosteroids and inflammatory
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drugs the best anti-inflammatory drug is
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colchicine
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you've probably never heard about it in
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the largest highest quality randomized
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trial
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over 4 000 patients double blind
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randomized placebo-controlled trial
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there's a 50
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reduction in mortality no word of it
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none complete block to anybody
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culture scene how can that be how can
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that be and then the most deadly part of
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the the viral
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infection is thrombosis so i have always
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treated my patients
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with something to treat the virus
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something to treat inflammation and
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something to treat pharmacists just as
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dr urso had
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and i have very very sick patients and
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i've lost two
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but i have to tell you what has gone on
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has been beyond
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belief how many of you have turned on a
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local news station
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or a national cable news station and
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ever gotten an
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update on treatment at home
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how many of you have ever gotten a
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single word about what to do when you
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get
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the hand of the diagnosis of 19. no
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wonder
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that is a complete and total failure at
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every level
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okay let's take the white house how come
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we didn't have a panel of doctors
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assigned to put all their efforts and
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stop these hospitalizations
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why don't we have doctors who actually
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treated patients get together
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in a group and every week give us an
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update
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why didn't we have that why didn't we
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have that at the state level zero
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why don't we have any reports about how
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many patients were treated
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in spared hospitalizations from all that
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i listen to six hours of testimony today
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zero zero we have a complete and total
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blank spot
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on treatment it is a blanking phenomenon
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at least in the united states there's
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some heroes now the american society of
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physician and surgeons
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took the lead they're the group they've
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identified 35 treatment centers in texas
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they know who they are
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they have emergency hotlines they helped
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dr hall put together
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this very brief pamphlet but there's
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more an extensive one we can pass it
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around to everyone
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that at least gives people half a chance
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to find out
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about information okay this is a
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complete and total travesty to have a
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fatal disease
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and not treat it now the national
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institutes of health and the infectious
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disease design of
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america started putting out guidelines
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in the treatment of covet 19
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and to this date they nearly exclusively
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deal with a hospitalized patient
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the two papers that i have published as
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the lead author
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and supported by wonderful people by dr
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urso are the
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only publications in the peer-reviewed
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literature
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that tell doctors how to treat covet 19
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as an outpatient
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based on the support of scientific
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information the only two
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the home treatment guide by the american
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physicians and surgeons
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is the only source of information
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available to patients
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on how to treat cova 19 at home the only
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source
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so what can be done right here right now
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there's going to be more people that die
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in texas and it's an absolute tragedy
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how about tomorrow let's have a law that
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says there's not a single result given
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out
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without a treatment guide and without a
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hotline of how to get into research
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let's put a staffer on this and find out
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all the research available in texas and
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let's not have a single person go home
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with with a test result with their fatal
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diagnosis
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sitting at home going into two weeks of
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despair before they succumb to
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hospitalization and death
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it is unimaginable in america that we
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can have such a complete and total blind
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spot
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i blame the doctors for not stepping up
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where was the medical society
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stopping up and putting effort on this
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how about from the federal and state
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agencies there never was
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a single bit of group collaborative
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effort to stop the hospitalizations
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nobody even kind of thought about it bob
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hall had me hana
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teleconference in in april or may and
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we're like wait a minute
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how come where's ut southwestern i'm a
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graduate of ut southwestern
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where's a m where's the rest of the
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universities how come we're not stopping
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this
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how come we are not stopping this but it
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gets worse because
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in the paper i published in december of
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of 2020 you know what he did i had i had
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a terrific
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doctor from brazil we went through
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country by country by country and just
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asked the question what
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are the countries doing was the last
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time you turned on the news and ever got
10:11
a window to the outside world
10:13
when did you ever get an update about
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how the rest of the world is handling
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covet
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never what's happened in this pandemic
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is the world has closed in on us there's
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only one doctor
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whose face is on tv now one not a panel
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doctors we always work in groups we
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always have different opinions there's
10:32
not a single media doctor
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on tv who's ever treated a covid patient
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not a single one there's not a single
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person in the white house task force has
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ever treated a patient
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why don't we do something both why don't
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we put together a panel of doctors that
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have actually treated outpatients of
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covet 19
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and get them together for our meeting
10:51
and why don't we exchange ideas
10:53
and why don't we say how we can finish
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the pandemic strongly
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isn't it amazing think about this think
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about the complete and total blind spot
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so what happened i can tell you what
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happened what happened in around may
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it became known that the virus was going
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to be amenable to a vaccine
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all efforts on treatment were dropped
11:11
the national institutes of health
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actually had a multi-drug program
11:14
they dropped it after 20 patients said
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we can't find the patients
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the most disingenuous announcement of
11:18
all time and then warp speed went
11:21
full tilt for vaccine development and
11:24
there was a silencing of any information
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on
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treatment any silencing
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scrubbed from twitter youtube can't get
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papers published on this
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you can't we can't even get information
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out in our own medical literature on
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this
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there's been a complete scrubbing so
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this program has been one of
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try to reduce the spread of the virus
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and wait for a vaccine
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and when we've when we vaccinate all
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efforts have to be on vaccination and
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probably if i had four hours of
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vaccination on here think about it as we
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sit here today
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the calculations in texas on herd
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immunity
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the calculations are we're at eighty
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percent herd immunity right now
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with no vaccine effect eighty percent
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and more people are developing cova
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today
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they're gonna become immune people who
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develop covid have
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complete and durable immunity and a very
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important principle
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complete and durable you can't beat
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natural immunity you can't vaccinate on
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top of it and make it better
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there's no scientific clinical
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or safety rationale for ever vaccinating
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a cove
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recovered patient there's no rationale
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for ever testing a covert recovery
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patient my wife and i are covered
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recovered
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why do we go through the testing outside
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there's absolutely no rationale
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i'd encourage this committee to actually
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look at what's being done
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and ask is there any rationale is there
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any rationale for anything
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listen there's plenty of cover to
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recover patients let them forego the
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vaccine
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and let people who are clamoring for it
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get it but at 80 percent
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hurt immunity in the vaccine trials
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fewer than one percent
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in the vaccine in the placebo actually
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get coveted fewer than one percent
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the vaccine is going to have a one
13:04
percent public health impact that's what
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the data says
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it's not going to save us we're already
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80 hurt immune
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if we're strategically targeted we can
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actually close out the pandemic
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very well with the vaccine but
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strategically targeted people under 50
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who fundamentally have no
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health risks there's no scientific
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rationale for them to ever become
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vaccinated
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there's no scientific rationale one of
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the mistakes i heard today as a
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rationale for vaccination as
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asymptomatic spread and i want you to be
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very clear about this my opinion is
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there is a low degree if any of
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asymptomatic spread
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sick person gives it to sick person the
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chinese have published a study british
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medical journal
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11 million people that try to find
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asymptomatic spread you can't find it
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and that's been you know one of
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important pieces of
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misinformation when senator hall called
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a conference call
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what should we do in the capitol when we
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reopened i said you know what you know
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what we do at baylor
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you walk in and they zap your
14:05
temperature you got a temperature check
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and go in
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i mean do we test everybody who walks in
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the baylor hospital no are they a lot
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sicker than everybody in this room you
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better believe it
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so why would we do something here at the
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capitol
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that has absolutely positively no
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scientific rationale
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and then do it in this context so my
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testimony as i said here today
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is covet 19 has always been a treatable
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illness
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a very large study from mckinney texas
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another one from new york city
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show that when doctors treat patients
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early
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who are over age 50 with medical
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problems with a sequence multi-drug
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approach with the available drugs uh
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four to six drugs that are available
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to them now the monoclonal antibiotics
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are better better there's an
14:47
85 reduction in hospitalizations and
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death
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85 85 percent i want you to remember
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that number 85 percent
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we have over 500 000 deaths in the
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united states
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the preventable fraction could have been
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as high as 85 percent
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if our pandemic response would have been
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laser focused
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on the problem the sick patient right in
15:13
front of us we're focused over here and
15:14
focused over there and focused on masks
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and
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what have you laser focused sick patient
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treat them
15:20
we lost focus on the most fundamental
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doctor that's my that's my testimony
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yeah thank you i can tell how passionate
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you are and certainly i have been a
15:29
leader
15:29
in talking about preventive protocols
15:32
and also the ambulatory stage and i do
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think that that has been missing
15:37
and it's been a concern because kova 19
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is going to be with us right i mean it's
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uh
15:42
you know i hope we're at 80 percent
15:44
heard immunity i don't know yet i'll
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read your papers but
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um i appreciate that and the message is
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is that there are drugs out there that
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work
15:52
there are therapies out there that work
15:54
but no single one works alone
15:56
and so the the the dismissive mistake
15:58
was to do a very small study oh we
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studied 200 patients
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and we used ivory hydroxychloroquine and
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it didn't work that's like
16:05
cancer and picking one drug and saying
16:07
oh it doesn't reduce cancer mortality we
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never do that in cancer we never did
16:10
that in aids we don't do in hepatitis c
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what we look is for is signals of
16:14
benefit and acceptable safety and then
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we combine them
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and that's what that's all we've done so
16:20
but but but this
16:21
independent declaration drug by drug
16:23
that drugs don't work
16:25
has been uh and that's on that's on us
16:27
that's been our medical house
16:28
that's been a a giant um error
16:31
that we've made on our side we never
16:33
should have expected single drugs to
16:35
reduce mortality
16:36
but drugs in combination against a fatal
16:38
vital infection
16:39
we should have this entire session is
16:40
less learned from lessons i know we're
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running short on time
16:44
uh center hall you have one question or
16:49
real quick um i'd ask the question
16:51
earlier when dr hellestad was here
16:54
about the idea that fits in with what
16:55
you've talked about
16:57
is that when we test someone rather than
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just say
17:00
give them yep you're positive you're
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negative be on your way
17:04
that we at least provide them
17:06
information
17:07
of what we know out there can be
17:10
can be used not trying to play the role
17:13
of doctor
17:14
out there would you do you agree with
17:18
dr hellestadt's interpretation that that
17:21
should not be done
17:22
because it's setting up a doctor-patient
17:24
relationship
17:25
and simply informing people or providing
17:28
with with
17:29
over-the-counter drugs that
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so that we could possibly have the early
17:36
treatment
17:36
for these folks rather than wait till
17:39
they show up in the hospital
17:40
we could at least have a physician group
17:44
approved a guide the aaps guide has been
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used in over 500
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000 cases in the united states in fact
17:50
the early treatment is probably
17:52
what prevented us from overflowing the
17:54
hospitals in the
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in the last quarter of the year i when i
17:57
testified i said listen we're on track
17:59
and i was very
17:59
convinced of this we're on track of
18:01
overflowing our hospitals our break
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point was 135 000 in the hospitals
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united states we hit 128.
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now the curve started going down long
18:08
before the vaccine so i can tell you
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herd immunity
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long before the vaccine showed up
18:12
started to go down but the early
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treatment kicked up ivermectinus
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skyrocketed hydroxychloroquine
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monoclonal antibodies as much as we can
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push them sadly the monoclonal
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antibodies are still sitting on the
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shelf
18:23
in a lot of places but committees like
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this ought to be saying listen where are
18:26
those monoclonal antibiotics
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are do we stock them at the nursing home
18:29
what are the big nursing home chains
18:31
what are the big urging care chains in
18:33
texas and what are they doing what are
18:34
their early treatment protocols
18:36
you know these are blank spots i bet
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nobody here has even thought about this
18:40
this is this is really low hanging fruit
18:43
that we can
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uh we can tackle the bottom line is
18:47
a lot of doctors have checked out and
18:48
when patients call them they say i don't
18:50
treat covet
18:52
and when i asked those doctors i said
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you don't treat how come they go well
18:54
there's no treatment
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i said but do you do you call them two
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days later to see how they're doing
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no so what's that that's not that's not
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i don't treat covet
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that's i don't care anymore that's a
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loss of compassion
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so we have a crisis of compassion in our
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country in the medical field that's in
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our house right now
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but for every doctor that's ever told a
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patient that they don't treat covid
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okay but then they call them two days
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later and help them get oxygen or see
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how they're doing
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if the answer is no that that's the
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hippocratic oath going out
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and that's on us and i'm telling you we
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have a real self-check to do
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uh in the house of medicine yep