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To: ransomnote; generally; Wneighbor; RitaOK; smileyface; Cats Pajamas
As far as your claim of Juan's rapidly deteriorating reputation, goes, RN, your recounting seems to be devoid of facts and heavy on anonymous, disjointed smear.

Surely everyone with a brain has known that Juan O. Savin is a nom de guerre and it follows, tada-lat-tadala! That he has a real name. Yes, his name is Wayne Willott. Ka-zow!

For the rest, the story reads like Nancy Pelosi trying to bring down squaddies with innuendo, absent substantial facts. That Juan might have been thought to be JFK, Jr. by a few (?) unnamed people, while possible, is not based on fact and irrelevant. That YT video linked in your post, RN, is simply off-the-wall, missing all sauce! It in no way lives up to the implicit claim of its title. There's not a fact anywhere in it! I'm sure Juan has never claimed to be JFK, Jr. I've heard Field's program several times where JFK, Jr.'s name did come up. (I've also spend literally days in the company of both Field and Juan--together and heard ~98% of their conversations!) Juan never in my hearing or understanding ever claimed to be JFK, Jr. Your anonymous informer is simply mistaken.

It sounds as if that informer/typer is trying to make Juan (Willott) look as bad as possible, like a Maxine Waters with derogatory things to say about PDJT at the drop of a hat.

In like fashion, Willott never claimed to be "on the Q team," though I would caution that the Dept. of Energy Q nuclear clearance that is not at all the same as the phenomenon known to the people on this thread as "the Q team."

You say Juan "might have some mates in the military." Duh. I can verify that. How deep did you dig? Have you heard former Spec Operator Michael Jaco rave about Juan's insider credentials? There's a lot of unspoken, bowing evidence of sauce there.

Juan has done some travelling and story-telling, eh? That sounds really sinister! Someone's really thinning the gruel there!

I would say that any person of moment who makes a habit of bringing hidden information into the open has ruffled a few feathers that make some squawk. And gee, Juan has been named a witness in a court case or two! So awful!

We're all still awaiting the sauce that's worthy of a broken and spent reputation. So far, it sounds like an accuser or two is merely into innuendo upon given a forum to do so.

In the meantime, there's also an awful lot of good JOS has been doing over hundreds of hours of Internet radio programming and behind the scenes activity in support of white hats!

But you don't seem to be inclined to present a balanced picture of JOS, RN. I wonder why that is. Color me greatly disappointed, but not that Juan/Willott's reputation is any the less by your expose'.

266 posted on 02/11/2021 9:45:40 PM PST by rx (Truth will out!)
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To: rx

Juan O’Savin is a fraud. Should be banned from here for making us look like idiots. Which isn’t hard these days.

Juan O’Savin. That’s a punchline to a bad joke.

-SB


274 posted on 02/11/2021 10:02:08 PM PST by Snowybear ( )
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To: rx
But you don't seem to be inclined to present a balanced picture of JOS, RN. I wonder why that is. Color me greatly disappointed, but not that Juan/Willott's reputation is any the less by your expose'.

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So I tried to show that I was quoting two different sources and it looks like I didn't succeed because you attribute to me, words written by another.

Your response is pointed and personalized; I don't understand why until I read:

"(I've also spend literally days in the company of both Field and Juan--together and heard ~98% of their conversations!)"

Can you see that a person who doesn't know them personally is going to watch some videos of his and read some comments? And cross check with others and go watch some more, and start to get an opinion about what that account produces? It's just not going to match your experience. It's not personal for me.

You've explained he's been around a long time, and I said so has Comey. We've had many class of '98 harassing us on FR and the first thing they cite is seniority.

A person like me checking out Juan is going to have a different opinion and it's not a personal attack on you.

Comparing my comments to smear attacks by Pelosi and Maxine Waters is not enough to scare me off. :) I find O Savin himself is the guy without sauce. I'm still looking but my first forays were disappointing.

I think people like O Savin can, with their channel, clarify for people that they are a) not JFK Jr. and b) have no inside sources - if they want to. So far, I haven't come across O Savin doing that. 

What I hope to continue doing is refining my ability to reason through conflicting accounts better and posting my opinions/receiving feedback often helps if its constructive. Here's an excerpt describing what I'm after:

"Free thought" is a philosophical viewpoint which holds that positions regarding truth should be formed on the basis of logic, reason, and empiricism, rather than authority, tradition, revelation, or dogma. (#3038)

Juan seems to primarily fall into "revelation" or received wisdom. 

I wasn't seeking anyone's good opinion when I posted my opinion of O Savin; I'm seeking to refine my criteria for good sources and that can't be tailored to others' personal experiences. Logic, reason, empiricism - where are they with Juan? Or with others whose content I used to seek out.

I sometimes I start to listen to them now when I REALLY want information and there's none to be had. But as I listen, I realize it's a waste of time, just more speculation, or worse in some cases. It's silent now because patriots loyal to our country are not sharing information with anonymous YOUTUBERS. 

We do have sauce on court filings, trials, known entities like Guiliani, Flynn etc. There's evidence out there - documents released etc. but then there's countless "charismatic speakers". 

I think it was EasySt who remarked on "charismatic speakers". Yes. That's it exactly. Some of these speakers get "quiet" side reputations (JFK Jr., Ezra Watnick Cohen) and are thought of well - but when asked a question ("Now that EWC has refuted "QAnon", who do people say he is?) their supporters fall silent and change the subject.

It's not rare for O Savin to be thought of as JFK Jr. I don't think he objects. If he did, he can say so as often as needed to make the point. But, he hasn't. That last video I linked had comments by people celebrating the return of JFK Jr (Juan). He can stop it if he wants. I won't hold my breath - he has a channel and a book to sell.

280 posted on 02/11/2021 10:41:28 PM PST by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: rx; ransomnote

Pretty sure Jennifer Mac promoted the JFKjr = JOS at her channel. Although I listened to JOS at McConnell’s channel I was not one of the ‘all’, “Through Field’s help has mislead all his radio listeners to believe Juan is JFK, JR.” I always thought, well maybe; Q stated emphatically, “No”, but there is disinfo.


340 posted on 02/12/2021 4:35:09 AM PST by smileyface ("The illuminati's whole philosophy demands the use, abuse, sacrifice and consumption of children.")
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