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I do apologize for the first line in the original post, implying anyone is stupid.

It was stupid of me.

There was another thread going on the main regarding Ashli.

I now do realize that something that is common to me, isn’t really common to others.

Again, I should not have said anyone is stupid. I’m sorry for that.

Ashli’s hands were up in the air, she had a bit of dragon claw going on.
Finger tips pointed towards her face.
This lasted for less than approx 30 seconds (have not timed it).
Then her breathing stopped, then her heart.

I can’t speak about the way she was moved. I would not have moved her in that manner. Clearly untrained people were involved.

Sadly, Ashli did not live very long. Probably from gunshot to death was approx 2 minutes.

There are I think at least 5 doctors here on FreeRepublic.
Although they don’t specialize in Emergency Medicine, perhaps they can confirm what I’m saying?

The universal sign that someone is choking, they put both hands up to their throat, almost instantly. They cannot speak.
When you see that, you know right away they’re choking.

The same for many other more complex conditions or injuries.
When I saw Ashli postering in knew right away her spine was involved.

Ashli was dead as they wheeled her out on the stretcher/gurney.
One tech was doing CPR, she had a breathing device at her head.....a BVM, (Bag Valve Mask) that is used to assist or breath for someone.

Again, sadly, the BVM may have been useless if the air being squeezed into her was leaking out of the bullet hole in her neck.
But, CPR continued.
There was not E.T. Tube placed and no I.V. Started.
That tells me the unit was a Basic Life Support and not advanced.

Therefore, in most Medical Authorities a Basic Unit can not stopped CPR or “bagging” a patient (using a BVM) until a Doctor gives the order or sees the patient. Even if the patient is dead beyond doubt.

An Advance Life Support unit can call a patient deceased, for various reasons, one being the equipment we use (much is like a hospitals equipment only portable) and we can send telemetry to the hospital for the Doc to agree the patient is deceased.

I’m far from knowing it all.......but I’m an expert in what I did for many many years and thousands of patients.

If the topic was rebuilding a transmission, avocado recipes, computer code, or business tax filings........I have zero to add.

I hope I helped.
Again, sorry the original comment.
Have a great day.