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I believe Mike Pence is actually a deep state plant, put in place to supplant president Trump through attempts like the Russia hoax, the Ukraine Hoax, impeachment, assassination or article 25.

I don't think Pence would have willingly certified alternate electors. With Pence in position, the Deep State has a plan in place if Biden can't steal the election.
At a state funeral (McCains?), Pence made a point of shaking hands with Hillary/Bill Clinton.

I've seen a photograph of Pence in the VIP with Bush Sr. at a baseball game (or football?) Who socializes with Bush Sr?

Throughout these four years, Pence has been a placeholder. I don't beleive Trump would ever have willingly chosen a person of Pence's temperament.

Trump likes fighters like Sec Defense Miller. Recently Sec Def Miller addressed some unscripted comments to Pence while speaking at an outdoor event (Spec Ops ceremony?). I've seen an indoor version of Pence Speaking at Space Force birthday - I suspect that's different video.

Miller interupted his address to turn slightly aside to praise Pence for mentoring him, specifically Pence's wisdom and courage. Check out Miller's military credentials and the caliber of men he has known, served and lead, and ask yourself what kind of bar is set for Miller to be sincerely praising Pence for his "courage".

Some of us think Miller was not being sincere and was actually indicating that Miller knew more about Pence than the VP previously realized. After that theory swam around the internet, Pence delivered the first vigorously patriotic speech many found amazing. On Twitter, some mused, "Where has THIS Pence been all this time?" Indeed, why did Pence save his vigor and passion until now?

I believe the Deep State plot requires Trump to be "taken out of the way" somehow, and the optics require people to trust Pence. The Deep State's plan B, Biden wins or Pence is in place at the right time should the Deep State succeed in taking him out somehow. Either way - win/win for the DS.

President Trump knows what/who Pence is - watch the 2020 SOTU. President Trump enters the chamber to give his address and hurls programs at Pelosi and at Pence as if disgusted. There was no reason for Pence to find that funny, but he had to put a good face on it so Pence laughed, like such a display is just what good friends do at the SOTU with the world watching. Actually, his mouth laughed, but Pence's eyes seldom even smile.

President Trump told the world what he thinks/knows about VP Pence.

The fact Pence is still in place is likely due to the need to maintain stability during the attacks of the Deep State. I recall wondering why Trump retained such a milksop and some on FR said it was a deal with the GOP; the GOP would work against Trump unless he agreed. The GOP is corrupt (most) and wouldn't put a devout patriot in place.

I know this is unpopular to say. Some are horrified that I would question Pence because he's a Christian and we aren't supposed to attack fellow Christians.

My answer: George W. Bush. He often talks of his spiritual faith, but he openly supported Obama, criticized Trump and continues to insult our sitting president. I used to believe Bush Jr, and debate in his defense.

This is why God warned us that there would be wolves in sheep's clothing and those who claim to know God but only seek to deceive.

In the year's following Bush Jr.'s two terms, "but he can't be bad because he's a Christian!" has not aged well. It's an obsolete concept long before Clinton made a show of going to church. It's origins are in the bible.

I bring this up now because if President Trump were successfully brought down or silenced, let's say the DS blames on on the Red Dragon (China), many on FR would willingly follow Pence, whom I believe is the Deep State's plan B.

Mathew 10:16

Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

I'm not saying we just pile on one theory or another. I'm saying we have to know exactly WHY we believe or distrust all the people in the government, religious leaders, CEOs etc. The Deep State is DEEP.

I've heard estimates that 90% of the US is Christian. Some of those Christians are later exposed for what they really are, as are persons of other faiths. Please pray for discernment and if you think I'm wrong, pray for mine as well. We have to be ready for anything, and we have no reason to trust officials like Pelosi and George W Bush, and Clinton, and others because of their public expressions of faith.

Where has Pence's fire/passion been throughout President Trump's administration? Why wouldn't President Trump have willingly chosen someone who fights to be his VP? SO Pence is suddenly on fire now? Why?