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To: bagster

Ha. I knew you wouldn’t turn out to be a deadhead. Don’t ask me how. Maybe you’re jes close enough to the bay area to see the effects of that subculture up close. I didn’t realize they were C_A until Q posted about the death of John Barlow, one of their top two songwriters, right at the start of all this. How bout that. I didn’t have a Qlue until Q told me. Then I started digging and thought back to a lot of different things, the illuminati art, the acid connections and once you see you can’t unsee. Saw an interview with Bob Weir at the Bohemian Grove (just a social club ya know).

Last night I watched a fascinating video which I was prepared to hate because it was Vietnam War from the North Vietnamese POV, but it was AWESOME because it spent time going through the history of Vietnam back to the opium wars and the French colonization.

Ho Chi Minh declared the free nation of Vietnam in 1945. Before that no one had ever heard the name Vietnam, it was always French Indochina (FI). He immediately contacted, or was contacted by, the Office of Strategic Services who supported him, strongly. Ho was a longtime communist organizer who developed the Viet Minh cadre during world war II as resistance to the Japanese occupiers. The thing was, the French wanted their colony back after the war, but now there was this armed and organized resistance movement waiting for them when they came back.

This is a bit long, but I think it’s important. HCM continued to receive (black) support from the new CIA in conducting VM operations against the French. HCM was a well known communist but his posture was “patriotism first, then communism”. The Viet Minh won their war against the French culminating in the decisive victory at Dien Bien Phu. The French withdrew, a republic was declared, and then it was time for the communism part of the equation. But then the US under Kennedy decided to defend the fledgling republic from the violent radical communists and the rest is history. But the Clowns In America were present for the founding of the Vietnamese nationalist movement. When did they stop supporting them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pgcFqraekE


1,674 posted on 12/12/2020 8:08:21 AM PST by ichabod1 (He's a vindictive SOB but he's *our* vindictive SOB)
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To: ichabod1; bagster
What does a Grateful Dead fan say when the heroin wears off?

"Man, those guys suck."

1,689 posted on 12/12/2020 8:20:06 AM PST by Richard Kimball (WWG1WGA)
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To: ichabod1
He immediately contacted, or was contacted by, the Office of Strategic Services who supported him, strongly.

I can corroborate that OSS wanted to go into VN. A relative was OSS during the war, the real part, not the Oh So Social part. OSS/CIA wanted him to continue with them after the war as they said they were going into Viet Nam. He declined the offer.

About Ho, I remember being completely blown away at the picture of him in formal morning attire at the Treaty of Versailles talks in 1919. They petitioned to become an independent state but were ignored. One wonders how history might have been different.

1,703 posted on 12/12/2020 8:37:53 AM PST by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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