[2aProtectsTheRest]

Well if your conscience is free risking the deaths of dozens of defenseless elderly folks by spreading a contagious disease to them, that’s on you.

You should run for governor of New York.

[fireman15]

If you are fine being a self-righteous Karen shaming people who celebrate Christmas and don't wear masks when they are shopping at home depot... that is fine with me. It is more than a little ironic since I have spent tens of thousands of hours volunteering at nursing homes and multi-level care facilities and used to drive groups in a senior center bus to get their flu shots from the VA etc... Not to mention the 25 years I spent in the back of rescue units transporting people with life threatening respiratory illnesses to the hospital.

Maybe you should run for Governor of California, you are certainly a self-righteous imbecile and that might just qualify you..

[caww]

Friend had full family Thanksgiving 18 people.....one works directly with Covid patients. Scrubbed at work, showered at home..joined the gathering. Nobody has any symptoms.

[Hulka]

I have partially collapsed lungs and qualify for a medical exemption in Texas, no mask. Wearing a mask causes breathing distress and can cause loss of consciousness. Been tested several times, clear.

[Apogee]

See my post 70 above.

I think I am in a minority here with my opinion of Covid. For instance, I find it disconcerting to realize that most people seem to have a logical disconnect when they point to studies proving so many false positives or asympomatic positives and use them to say that the virus is therefore not as bad as the flu. If you say there are x% fewer actual cases, then it necessarily implies that the death rate is x% higher than the one you report which is based on the “bogus” denominator. We can’t have both. And we don’t know the denominator of people with flu who didn’t know it anyway. So I remain convinced that the actual death rate is much higher than we are currently allowing or wishing it to be.

But the answer to protecting elderly folks is not relying on a security erasing nightmare of an app that has more holes in it than the masks most people wear - there is no guarantee that the Typhoid Mary you were next to at your local grocery store has the required update, or scanning turned on, or a phone at all - but on common sense.

I went shopping Saturday, there were a lot of people there. I am not going out again for the next week, perhaps we can visit then, Grandma... or, The weather isn’t good enough to see you outdoors today, wish I could hug you, but we’ll try again next time...

Problem is, many if not most of the older folks I know are tired of it. It is they who are demanding that we live while we live, and not cower away into oblivion. Depending on the person and circumstance, I have begun to mostly honor their wishes in the matter.

Realizing that there is a bit of the same argument against my security position that I make against the Covid threat detection, I maintain there is enough difference that the compromise in personal and national security is not worth the possible benefit of a Covid alert. That’s just the bait to make it palatable.