Posted on 12/04/2020 3:49:00 PM PST by Hojczyk
>> “So respectfully we disagree... “ <<
Yes, on some aspects of this situation, anyway. I say: first priority — defeat the Democrats; second priority — defeat the RINOs (in the primaries). We disagree if you’re willing to sacrifice some offices to Democrats in order to teach obnoxious Republicans a lesson.
(That hasn’t been Trump’s strategy, and he couldn’t have gotten much done in government without the support — at least temporary — of some obnoxious Republicans.)
That was clear in the 2016 primaries too. Cruz refused to endorse. Trump perpetrated a hostile takeover of the GOP, and now the GOP is taking it back.
>> “I don’t parse the trivial differences between two parties who both want to turn everyone except the Uber-rich that support them into peasant/slaves to the government class.” <<
If you make a list of issues, and check off positions, I simply don’t believe that the Republicans are as bad as the Democrats. I say, if you can’t beat them in the primaries, support them at the polls against the Democrats. Then blow off steam by attacking them on forums like this one :-) — until the next chance to primary them.
In some places, though, there simply isn’t enough support on the right to win elections (even legal ones). Too many persons are prejudiced against the right, and would prefer a RINO or Democrat. We have to win the information war first, which isn’t easy with the left controlling most sources of information.
I don’t have all the answers, but do see some problems with the answers others are suggesting.
Great analysis. And the GOP leaders will certainly wrest full control of it back, immediately, if Trump loses his re-election bid. I'm growing concerned that Trump himself is beginning to bow down, rather than focusing on re-electing himself today with this rally. If the towel gets thrown in on this election rigging though, I believe a lot of people will be done with the GOP, whether Trump is part of that fold or not. I'm on the fence myself.
Then why aren't more Republicans fighting to correct the illegal voting system that the corrupt Secretary of State put in place via his secret deal with Democratic lawyers including Stacy Abrams and Mark Elias?
There's plenty of evidence the current process breaks several state laws:
- No chain of custody for drop box ballots
- Voter signatures not being verified on mail in ballots
- ACLU personnel performing the ID checks for in person voters instead of state employees
- Dominion employees conducting the elections instead of state employees
- Dominion machines connected to the internet
- ETC
???
Cruz said this in 2016:
"After many months of careful consideration, of prayer and searching my own conscience, I have decided that on Election Day, I will vote for the Republican nominee, Donald Trump" [Politico September 2016]
Cruz said this in 2020:
"The media does not get to select our President. The American people decide who the President is, and we need to make sure all legal votes are counted. With serious disputes in multiple states, we must allow the legal process to move forward." ["Sen. Ted Cruz Continues to Back Trump’s Claims of Election Fraud" [SpectrumNews1]
Sure, Cruz, and Rush, and Levin, all eventually came along. They’re voicing up some now too. But really how much, and how much longer will it last.
Golden Eagle, let’s apply the Golden Rule here. If someone had attached the epithet “Lying Ted” to you and, based on a fuzzy photo in the National Enquirer, had implied that your father was an associate of Lee Harvey Oswald (and had helped him hand out pro-Castro leaflets — when in fact his father was a bitter enemy of Castro, and his own sister had been beaten up by Castro’s forces), how long would it take for you to endorse him?
The surprising thing is that Cruz endorsed Trump at all. Clearly Trump was a better choice for President than Hillary Clinton, though, so he put his personal feelings behind him.
Clearly you’re making the case Trump doesn’t deserve Cruz’s support. Maybe he doesn’t, but that JFK question was never conclusively answered. There is some smoke there.
You’re getting off in a rabbit hole based on your devotion to Cruz. I’m not overly dedicated any politician, not even Trump. But I do trust him overall more than the average Republican, which is the point of this thread.
>> “I’m not overly dedicated any politician, not even Trump.” <<
I’m not devoted to any politician either. Before Trump ran, I saw nothing to like about him, and didn’t like much about him during the primaries. I support his position on the border, though, on getting better trade deals, depoliticizing the judiciary, and defying the establishment. I especially like the way he denounces the bias of the media and fights back.
He ended up being one of the best Presidents in recent history, the best since Reagan, anyway, and maybe better than Reagan in some respects (of course, we should have learned some things since Reagan).
When have Republicans EVER stopped the Democrats from doing what they want? I can’t think of a single instance where the Republicans stood their ground and said no further. Not one single instance in the past 30 years.
So whatever the Democrats have on their agenda, they are getting it, all they have to do is pay off the Republicans, which is the only thing the Republicans have wanted since at least 1990...to be paid off for screwing their voters.
Regardless of whatever arguments you try to throw up, many us, probably millions of us, that have seen this same dance too many times and we won’t be fooled again. If the Democrats get the majority, it makes no difference because the Republicans already have their hands out ready to sell us all out...for the 100th time. We aren’t voting for them any longer, and I bet there are enough of us that the perfidious Republicans can become a permanent minor party. Small repayment for them selling us out for their personal gain, year after year after year.
They have one chance. And I don’t see them taking it.
Unfortunately, all true. Thanks for your long, detailed posts lately. We need more of those here, like the good ole days, and less one line snipers with ADD.
>> “When have Republicans EVER stopped the Democrats from doing what they want? <<
Hundreds of bills with mostly Democrat support have been rejected by Republicans. (Probably thousands in 30 years.) Hundreds of bills have been passed with mostly Republican support and Democrat opposition. Things won’t get better with Democrats in control of all three branches of the national government.
I agree that societal evolution has been moving mostly in the direction of the Democrats, but that’s hardly surprising when the left controls education from kindergarten through graduate school, the mainstream news media, sports, Hollywood, the music industry, and pop culture in general. I don’t see how the right can expect longterm success as long as that remains the case, no matter what party it supports, and how votes are counted.
And Mitch would not allow a Roll Call vote. It was unanimous consent.
Ted Cruz did not object. Rand Paul did not object. My Senator Marsha
Blackburn did not object. They all think it will go back like it was before
Trump. Won’t happen.
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Voted me permanent and lifetime unemployment. I have nothing to lose. Maybe I’ll take a few of the scumbag foreigners with me when it’s time.
Lots of scumbag H1B Indians in Georgia. Getting paid off by Infosys, Tata, Wipro or NASSCOM makes them Biden’s pets regardless of political affiliation.
The republicans don’t realize that because they are not fighting hard for Trump, if the democrats succeed now the left won’t have to steal future elections. That’s because most people on the right will not only feel betrayed again but more importantly that there is no longer any point.
Who cares about winning an occasional election because maybe the democrats don’t consider it important enough to steal. Once people feel their votes are meaningless it’s over. If they get away with this I think the republican party will cease to exist in a few short years and they won’t even get to be good losers.
It’s worse.
“Since HR1044 with Senate Amendments will not get votes needed to pass House, and Senate will likely object if they remove said amendments, Big Tech, @SenMikeLee and @RepZoeLofgren are now planning to stick it into omnibus spending bill without @SenRickScott changes”
They will force this into law one way or another.
If the Democrats take the Senate, they’re planning on
* Stacking the Supreme Court.
* Adding at least two more states for more Democrat electoral votes (Puerto Rico and Washington D.C.).
* Passing all of the gun control bills that they’ve prepared and more along with implementing a confiscation system down to local levels.
* Stifling conservative political speech far more than most of you are aware.
* Legalizing drugs at all levels: what many addicted subscribers here are in favor of and pushing for by way of their calls against voting in the Georgia runoff elections.
Don’t forget the biggie...
*Amnesty for 30+ million illegals.
Once that happens, all elections in this country will become a quaint memory of an earlier, more gentle time.
That’s a good point.
Not only that, but San Fran Nan wants to pass a voter fraud protection act, which would nationalize elections in all of the worst ways.
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