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Pro: Another effort to destroy society.
Me: Seems like it
Pro: A push for plan Z?

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Me: Iâve been wondering about their angle for doing this. Likely a combo of reasons but they donât assemble well in my mind.

I realized only after writing for quite awhile that Plan Z was originally intended to be the response to the lack of legitimate candidate. If Trump wouldn’t run, they didn’t see any other way to avoid the loss of America other than taking control of the country through military coup until suitable candidates could compete for the presidency and the public would vote for a president.

So technically, the DS doesn’t want Plan Z; they want their Manchurian President instead.

Over time, my ideas about Plan Z devolved to represent “open conflict” with our military, with or without President Trump in command. Because the Deep State has failed using political/assasination/covert tactics, the question had become, “Are they so desparate that they’d push for open conflict?”

Then there’s the question of, “who is they?” The only hope of a NWO take over of the US would require foreign troops and notice they’ve been trying to get the U.N. to “intervene” which means a soft, veiled, political intrusion to establish their lines, building up military forces. Yes there are infiltrators here now but the President has been “neutralizing” their forces since the first hour he took office.

The Deep State has never tried “open conflict” in their coup attempt because they don’t stand a chance of winning unless there’s a “coalition of the willing Satanists” and traitors in America HELP THEM defeat us, including ushering in foreign forces to fight against us, and even then they should expect devastating losses.

After writing for analyses for about 2 hours, I can say I realize that neither we, nor they, want either open conflict or Plan Z. Others have said so on the thread, but I have no background in this topic and had never contemplated it. I thought initially they were waiting for an excuse to “go medieval” on us.

In hindsight, they are much smaller and have less substantial hardware, lack endurance to hold the territory against mil and 2A patriots. They have little to no control over open conflict whereas their political machinations and assassination plots give them control and their lack of numbers/hardware is less of an impediment; their risks are minimal.

This disparity in capacity is why the riots outside the White House, which I mistook for an armed insurgency attempt to “take” the White House with the help of General Milley and traitorous mil (silly me - the WH is a fortress with armaments etc.) was actually designed for PR to get additional forces from the U.N. to enter the US.

If the DS thought open conflict had a chance of succeeding, that’s what they would have done in D.C., and at many points during the past 4 years. Their chances of surviving, let alone holding their own in open conflict got worse every day President Trump remained in office.

IF the white hats initiated open conflict, the DS black hats should retreat and accept losses to fight another day because white hat plans and forces (control) are superior to theirs. The only way I see the DS black hats fighting and not retreating in Plan Z (with support from UN, CHINA, Border troops, infiltrators) is defensively, if they believed their actions so infuriated/jeopardized our national security that the US would extend retribution beyond US borders (their CIC tell them to “die in place” to weaken us).

They always needed to rot our country from the inside out (I think the Russians said as much, over and over). The DS found many rotten people to help them and put them in elected office.

Plan Z has other destructive forces on a nation though, so the DS knows we don’t want it anymore than they do . Plan Z (military control) disassembles a country and many nations either never recover from a military coup or take generations to restore the country, often in damaged form. However, we would prefer Plan Z, and take on those challenges, before we ever fall to our enemies.

If Trump had not agreed to run for office, they were going for Plan Z. But back then, most of us would have misunderstood and the mil forces holding the capital would basically have to kill patriots trying to save their country . The mil would win but they don’t WANT to kill the American patriots they are trying to rescue.

Those early days were incredibly dangerous days for us. The Deep State had much greater public support, including armed patriots who would be willing to rise and fight for their country against what they would (falsely) be told (MSM) was a fascist coup. With each passing day of the Trump Presidency, he strengthen us and depleted the deep state of money, power and public support (and the leverage of civilian casualties) American is blessed by God.

I think the DS prefers FF attacks on soft targets for the cameras to manipulate the will of the people - they expose few of their people and assets (found it noteworthy that one of today’s traitors in the news was a nuclear scientist). So their coup wish list may be physical assassination, political assassination, damaging FFâs to demand the president/white hats âstop killing people,â and then Plan Z in that order.

The DS âneedsâ media presence and manipulative video/casualties and that battle without PR is pretty much useless (what do they get out of it? privacy while dying? PAIN?). But in a true Plan Z, I believe we’d control media access pretty well.

My thinking is fuzzy on this - I hope to find someone who knows how this kind of math is done. Osweda or? :D

The outstanding, brave patriots that showed up to the Richmond 2nd Amendment protests, despite reported hazards, won for us critical leverage that is paying even greater dividends as the days pass! If those bold patriots hadnât shown up as they did, the whole equation would change for the worse - for us. PRAISE GOD for Richmond 2A protesters!!!!

The mass turn outs at the marches rallies has to give our enemies pause. The Million Maga March must have horrified them. MOAR! MOAR! Let them hear the will of the people ROAR! :D

This is why the NWO wants to cull. Get rid of people who protest and you donât have the livestock turn on you, refusing to go into the slaughterhouse, pushing their abusers into the pen instead.

Back to idiot Tapper. If they are saying Christmas may not happen, they could be attacking the economy - telling manufacturers to underperform because Christmas is kind of off?

Lockdowns mean people canât gather in retail stores which cuts out impulse buys and many are less likely to buy merchandise theyâve never seen in person. It could be intended to have economic ripple effects - manufacturers and buyers for retail would be putting in their orders now.

Businesses failing and elevated unemployment - not much money or goods to sell or money to spend.

Can be psyops. People are looking forward to holidays for relief and family, and the Deep State is telling us thatâs under their control and weâre just servants without power. A depressed, listless populace is easier to manage.

The Deep State does NOT want groups of people getting together sick and tired of the abuses, venting, and then collaborating on how to respond. Britain may have a 2 person limit on protests, states like California are edging in with larger numbers (10 at Thanks Giving) to START with before really locking down protests.

May be as simple as defeating the will of the people (give a stupid order and see how we respond, apply leverage, get compliance for what comes next) to gauge how quickly they can slip the harness on.

Note: Re open conflict/plan Z and the infiltration angle - I donât even have a guess to work with, and the white hats have been “neutralizing” infiltrators (foreign and domestic) for 4 years now. But, we know they are there and are significant factor in creating terror to use as leverage. Without useful info - Iâll leave it alone.