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To: Sense

Was reading through the tweets... and saw a guy who changed his Twitter name with the prefix PRESIDENT ELECT-

https://twitter.com/MikeAyres11

It’s brilliant...

Imagine Kayleigh MacEnany refusing to accept questions unless the press addressed her as President Elect ? Salt the audience with new media... and have them use that... then only address their questions ?

Humor of that sort is DEVASTATING to priggish frauds...


104 posted on 11/16/2020 10:06:52 PM PST by Sense
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To: Sense

First comments on strategy... Rough outline on Trump's paths to win the election... 1. Win the vote outright. Trump did that already, but fraud and "continuing to vote" (a redundancy) were enabled to alter the totals in the election result, after the fact. They made no mystery of the fact they would do that... Hillary announced it well ahead of time, thinking only those on her team would get it ? Unbelievable... 2. The legal strategy plays a role here... as well in other areas: Undo the fraud. If Trump wins his argument re Pennsylvania... which every legal scholar worth his salt says is almost inevitable... then he wins the election... in Pennsylvania. But, the SAME error was made deliberately in (at least) the other five states with similar "post-election issues". None of them seem to have changed the rules that applied in the election as conducted... by constitutionally legitimate means... and those are the EXACT SAME places where frauds are apparent ? Go figure. Today, it became pretty clear that Georgia has that same issue as Pennsylvania... as the Lin Wood lawsuit filed today makes that exact point. The others ? Just a matter of filing essentially the same thing in those other venues... if that's made necessary in other venues ? But, do you even need to do that ? If you don't need to do that... why bother doing it ? 3. If fraud is proven to be an issue in the election... in a particular state... that state's election is null and will be voided... perhaps by a judge... but, then, otherwise, even only by the inability (of state officials) to certify the election as NOT fraudulent... or, were the legislature to act to declare that its a spoiled election that cannot be certified, etc. 4. If the election is spoiled, can it be unspoiled ? How ? Probably won't happen without legal wrangling imposing delays... and/or new causes for additional legal wrangling. My guess is they'll try to un-spoil the elections as much as possible, because many other elections, Federal, state and local, will hang in the balance... we've seen change in result of un-spoiling elections already... and the effort in providing proof of the need is barely begun. 5. If not un-spoilable... the legislature's votes instead of the votes of the people will be used to appoint the electors in the Presidential races. In every contested state... that means Trump probably wins all of them. Pelosi says she'll refuse to seat those electors... and lacking a positive reason (as when a fraud is proven) or any authority otherwise to override the state's judgement... she'll probably lose that battle in the House itself, or at the SCOTUS... as that is a primary grant of power to the states that operates as a limit on Congress, unless the Congress changes the laws... which they cannot do ex post facto, or in violation of other limits. Also, though, un-spoiling the elections might change the composition of the House before it gets that far... and obviate other conflict ? A division exists between requirements for and timing in un-spoiling elections in the states... as between Presidential process, other Federal process, and state processes. Congressional races have to be decided before the Presidential race can be, as if the election is not able to be resolved by a >270 vote of electors appointed by the states, it must be resolved by Congress. Have heard some rubbish about Pelosi won't seat electors... but I don't see that she can interfere there. Electors are elected or appointed by the states, and they give their votes to the President of the Senate... not the House. Pelosi might still attempt to sit as a judge and refuse to seat Republicans. "Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members." She might claim the power of the House to be the judge of its own elections... gives her that power as Speaker of the House, to exercise as an executive power in lieu of the vote of whole House... and maybe she'll attempt a power grab ? It obviously won't wash if she directly contradicts election results, the state legislatures, and court decisions, or acts in furtherance of a proven fraud... and another limit exists in requiring 2/3 to expel a member... which she clearly won't have. Won't alter the fact in relation to Presidential outcomes anyway, given one vote per state... as Republicans will still easily control that majority. 6. If the tally of votes, once fraud is sorted out, and/or state legislators provide electors in lieu of the people in a spoiled election, and that still leaves neither candidate with 270 electors... only then will the House have power to decide the outcome... None of this becomes overly apparent in "results"... until we reach the deadlines when states are actually required to report results... December 8... and then, assuming issues of demonstrable fraud are not already resolved at state level, before that, other still unresolved legal battles will be joined immediately... probably to be decided by Dec 14th. The rulings of the court will have the power to roll back errors being reported... in the degree they can be rolled back... and in the degree they cannot, the state legislatures will be required to cure spoiled elections. "The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States." Election day, when voting for President... is A DAY. The Constitution gives power to the Congress, and no other, to choose WHICH day... only. This election... clearly not compliant with that requirement... creates a set of problems... but any effort in resolving the problems, or in failing to resolve them, both still massively biased in favor of Trump. But, then, indecision could drift for quite a while... but for just as long as it does... Trump remains President... leaving Biden, without >270, no viable path to winning. If Trump wins in court on the Pennsylvania question... we'll basically see the vote tally getting rolled back to exclude votes that were not compliant with the law, and, the election night totals they'd posted before they got jiggered at 4am with "late insertions" will likely prevail... at least in those states where that ruling applies. If it applies in all of the contested states... Trump wins them outright. If it doesn't, Trump still wins by default if Biden can't get to 270. All Trump has to do to win... is prevent Biden from winning in enough states... based on proofs of fraud in those states. If Trump does somehow hold Biden short of 270... then you get this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baCeMpAZIgI A bigger issue exists, still, with potential for proofs of computerized election fraud mattering... which, in election impact alone, could end up impacting 29 states (or more)... even when having ONE proof provided, with a finding of fraud by the courts, or a legislature, or as just happened in Georgia, even by one local precinct... requiring it cannot be avoided any more ? That one result... could eventually alter many more election results than people are considering possible, now. The impact on the outcome of the election contest between Trump and Biden... is separate from the MUCH LARGER issue of the proof in one instance also providing a requirement in the fact, the necessity, that its existence in one instance... requires a massive conspiracy existing... with that impacting many, many other instances ? To prevent the proof and declaration of the fraud... you have to succeed in preventing its exposure in EVERY PRECINCT. To enable the proof and declaration of the fraud... you have to succeed in ONE ? A conspiracy... requires... TWO ? And, there are FIVE states... inexplicably all violating the Constitution in the same way... in coordination ? "No State shall, without the Consent of Congress... enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power" ? Criminally... its RICO Act material... and sedition or treason. Constitutionally... its just not kosher... Those betting against Trump... are betting he'll opt to side-step fully proving the fraud... to sustain the fraud rather than expose it and "make waves" ? That has them essentially playing a game of chicken, with Trump's opponents betting he'll choose to pull that wall away rather than let them crash into it... which makes them stupid.

105 posted on 11/17/2020 12:08:24 AM PST by Sense
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To: Sense

First comments on strategy...

Rough outline on Trump’s paths to win the election...

1. Win the vote outright. Trump did that already, but fraud and “continuing to vote” (a redundancy) were enabled to alter the totals in the election result, after the fact. They made no mystery of the fact they would do that... Hillary announced it well ahead of time, thinking only those on her team would get it ? Unbelievable...

2. The legal strategy plays a role here... as well in other areas: Undo the fraud. If Trump wins his argument re Pennsylvania... which every legal scholar worth his salt says is almost inevitable... then he wins the election... in Pennsylvania. But, the SAME error was made deliberately in (at least) the other five states with similar “post-election issues”. None of them seem to have changed the rules that applied in the election as conducted... by constitutionally legitimate means... and those are the EXACT SAME places where frauds are apparent ? Go figure.

Today, it became pretty clear that Georgia has that same issue as Pennsylvania... as the Lin Wood lawsuit filed today makes that exact point. The others ? Just a matter of filing essentially the same thing in those other venues... if that’s made necessary in other venues ? But, do you even need to do that ? If you don’t need to do that... why bother doing it ?

3. If fraud is proven to be an issue in the election... in a particular state... that state’s election is null and will be voided... perhaps by a judge... but, then, otherwise, even only by the inability (of state officials) to certify the election as NOT fraudulent... or, were the legislature to act to declare that its a spoiled election that cannot be certified, etc.

4. If the election is spoiled, can it be unspoiled ? How ?
Probably won’t happen without legal wrangling imposing delays... and/or new causes for additional legal wrangling.
My guess is they’ll try to un-spoil the elections as much as possible, because many other elections, Federal, state and local, will hang in the balance... we’ve seen change in result of un-spoiling elections already... and the effort in providing proof of the need is barely begun.

5. If not un-spoilable... the legislature’s votes instead of the votes of the people will be used to appoint the electors in the Presidential races. In every contested state... that means Trump probably wins all of them. Pelosi says she’ll refuse to seat those electors... and lacking a positive reason (as when a fraud is proven) or any authority otherwise to override the state’s judgement... she’ll probably lose that battle in the House itself, or at the SCOTUS... as that is a primary grant of power to the states that operates as a limit on Congress, unless the Congress changes the laws... which they cannot do ex post facto, or in violation of other limits. Also, though, un-spoiling the elections might change the composition of the House before it gets that far... and obviate other conflict ?

A division exists between requirements for and timing in un-spoiling elections in the states... as between Presidential process, other Federal process, and state processes. Congressional races have to be decided before the Presidential race can be, as if the election is not able to be resolved by a >270 vote of electors appointed by the states, it must be resolved by Congress.

Have heard some rubbish about Pelosi won’t seat electors... but I don’t see that she can interfere there. Electors are elected or appointed by the states, and they give their votes to the President of the Senate... not the House.

Pelosi might still attempt to sit as a judge and refuse to seat Republicans. “Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members.” She might claim the power of the House to be the judge of its own elections... gives her that power as Speaker of the House, to exercise as an executive power in lieu of the vote of whole House... and maybe she’ll attempt a power grab ? It obviously won’t wash if she directly contradicts election results, the state legislatures, and court decisions, or acts in furtherance of a proven fraud... and another limit exists in requiring 2/3 to expel a member... which she clearly won’t have.

Won’t alter the fact in relation to Presidential outcomes anyway, given one vote per state... as Republicans will still easily control that majority.

6. If the tally of votes, once fraud is sorted out, and/or state legislators provide electors in lieu of the people in a spoiled election, and that still leaves neither candidate with 270 electors... only then will the House have power to decide the outcome...

None of this becomes overly apparent in “results”... until we reach the deadlines when states are actually required to report results... December 8... and then, assuming issues of demonstrable fraud are not already resolved at state level, before that, other still unresolved legal battles will be joined immediately... probably to be decided by Dec 14th.

The rulings of the court will have the power to roll back errors being reported... in the degree they can be rolled back... and in the degree they cannot, the state legislatures will be required to cure spoiled elections.

“The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.” Election day, when voting for President... is A DAY. The Constitution gives power to the Congress, and no other, to choose WHICH day... only. This election... clearly not compliant with that requirement... creates a set of problems... but any effort in resolving the problems, or in failing to resolve them, both still massively biased in favor of Trump.

But, then, indecision could drift for quite a while... but for just as long as it does... Trump remains President... leaving Biden, without >270, no viable path to winning.

If Trump wins in court on the Pennsylvania question... we’ll basically see the vote tally getting rolled back to exclude votes that were not compliant with the law, and, the election night totals they’d posted before they got jiggered at 4am with “late insertions” will likely prevail... at least in those states where that ruling applies. If it applies in all of the contested states... Trump wins them outright. If it doesn’t, Trump still wins by default if Biden can’t get to 270.

All Trump has to do to win... is prevent Biden from winning in enough states... based on proofs of fraud in those states. If Trump does somehow hold Biden short of 270... then you get this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baCeMpAZIgI

A bigger issue exists, still, with potential for proofs of computerized election fraud mattering... which, in election impact alone, could end up impacting 29 states (or more)... even when having ONE proof provided, with a finding of fraud by the courts, or a legislature, or as just happened in Georgia, even by one local precinct... requiring it cannot be avoided any more ? That one result... could eventually alter many more election results than people are considering possible, now.

The impact on the outcome of the election contest between Trump and Biden... is separate from the MUCH LARGER issue of the proof in one instance also providing a requirement in the fact, the necessity, that its existence in one instance... requires a massive conspiracy existing... with that impacting many, many other instances ?

To prevent the proof and declaration of the fraud... you have to succeed in preventing its exposure in EVERY PRECINCT. To enable the proof and declaration of the fraud... you have to succeed in ONE ?

A conspiracy... requires... TWO ?

And, there are FIVE states... inexplicably all violating the Constitution in the same way... in coordination ?

“No State shall, without the Consent of Congress... enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power” ? Criminally... its RICO Act material... and sedition or treason. Constitutionally... its just not kosher...

Those betting against Trump... are betting he’ll opt to side-step fully proving the fraud... to sustain the fraud rather than expose it and “make waves” ? That has them essentially playing a game of chicken, with Trump’s opponents betting he’ll choose to pull that wall away rather than let them crash into it... which makes them stupid.


106 posted on 11/17/2020 12:10:03 AM PST by Sense
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