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To: Redwood71
If you read the 14th Amendment to the Constitution...

I have read the 14th Amendment. The 14th Amendment has nothing to do with natural born citizenship. It deals with granting citizenship to a specific group of people, that being former slaves. You're trying to apply it in a manner in which it wasn't designed.
Would you like a link to the Congressional Record where the Amendment was debated?
Congressional Debates of the14th Amendment to the United States Constitution
Particular notice to page 18/19. Find/Search citizen/citizens and slave/slaves throughout.

Pay attention as well to the first line of debate...
REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
Mr. FESSENDEN. The joint committee, so called, on reconstruction have directed me to report, first, a joint resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States...

I don't even know why you're bringing it up.

126 posted on 08/12/2020 5:46:52 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
Well stated. Bravo!

By rights Kamala Harris should not even be a citizen.

The founders and even most politicians up through the first three fourths of the twentieth century would be aghast at the concept of anchor babies. Anchor babies are only improperly considered a citizen at birth because of the perversion of modern courts and politicians in treating the Constitution as a “living document” so that they can interpret it however they please. This anchor baby nonsense all started with Justice William J. Brennan’s footnote in Plyler v. Doe in 1982 and was pushed into high-gear USA-destruct-mode by the evil Ted Kennedy.

Section 1 of the 14th Amendment states:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. […]

Consider the following three unassailable points.

1) The congressional record reveals that 14th Amendment was intended only to ensure USA citizenship for former slaves indigenous to the USA. The anchor baby citizen is a modern perversion of this intent.

2) The text of Section 1 clearly states that it only applies to residents of a state. Illegal invaders or other temporary alien visitors and their spawn have no legal permanent residence in any state. They are trespassing aliens or are tourists, students, etc. whose legal permanent residence is in an alien land, not one of our states.

3) The subject of Section 1 is citizenship, so when considering jurisdiction, only political jurisdiction is relevant. The political jurisdiction of alien invaders, tourists, alien students and other temporary alien visitors and any spawn they might happen to drop is their home country. That is where they vote, and where they are citizens. The fact that they are subject to local criminal jurisdiction is irrelevant to questions of citizenship.

129 posted on 08/12/2020 6:30:33 PM PDT by elengr (Benghazi betrayal: rescue denied - our guys DIED - treason's the reason obama s/b tried then fried!)
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To: philman_36

“I don’t even know why you’re bringing it up.”

This line:

Article 14 Sec 1:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside....”

The line doesn’t just represent non-citizens but “all persons born” that do not need to gain citizenship. They already are by birth. Don’t read into it. It, like all documents, can only define what it says at each point. Citizens and natural born citizens may be two separate points. And as NBS has never been defined and determined to be a point on its own, can mean anything so the only point in the phrase that pertains is “all persons born.” She was born in California....citizen. Just like every other president after the first nine who were born outside the U.S. and the 14th amendment was passed in 1868.

Real problem is that if the natural born citizen term was the only determination of eligibility for POTUS, then without a definition, no one would be eligible. (Or everyone)

rwood


136 posted on 08/13/2020 7:25:11 AM PDT by Redwood71
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