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To: SunkenCiv

Very loosely, as I am going from memory, Abraham was part of the first wave of migrants.. consisting of several nations from the Canaaite region like the Amalekites, etc. Collectively called the Hyksos. They dominated the northern part of Egypt, the mouth of the Nile. At that time I believe the pharaoh had already taken over the throne of the indigenous rulers. ‘pharaoh’ was a word that only applied to rulers of the north east region of the Nile and not the original rulers.

Joseph was sold into slavery later, have you ever wondered how he was able to raise so high up? because the rulers at the time (hyksos, amalekites) were basically the same
semitic people, spoke the same language, and were not the indigenous eqyptian rulers.

His father Jacob possibly also held a high position in the Egyptian kingdom. Scarabs have been found with his name: Jacob-hur.

The hyksos ruled for about 400 years, I forgot the name of the first ruler (Salid?). Muslem historians wrote in 1200 AD that verbal tradition was that there were three Pharaohs during Josephs lifetime, Pharaoh at Moses birth was Amalekite, called Rhyan, then came his cousin (who married the firsts wife), and the last one was from a Damascus lineage (so he usurped the throne), called Al-waleed. This last one pursued Moses out of Egypt but did not die in the parting of the red sea, forcing Moses to go into hiding for 40 additional years until he heard about the pharaoh’s death. That probably corresponds to the time the original pharaohs kicked the hicksos out of Egypt. Interestingly the son of the first pharaoh Rhyan was made a priest and was the old priest that had the magic battle with Moses. (Janis?)

Tradition says that while in the Yemen and Mecca area the Jewish tribes basically eradicated the Amalekite presence in Saudi Arabia.

There is so much tradition and detail in the 10th century arab manuscripts, I am surprised they are not mentioned in western society, even just for discussion sake.


28 posted on 07/16/2020 3:23:40 PM PDT by Toughluck_freeper
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To: Toughluck_freeper

By and large, the Arab “histories” started out one thing, and were edited for idealogical reasons by the Mohammedans.

A version of the name Moses pops up in an Arab tradition, but isn’t generally connected to the OT Moses — Mozaikiya “the soul of Yahweh”. [ http://www.varchive.org/ce/baalbek/desert.htm ]

“Jacob scarabs”

http://cojs.org/jacob_scarab_seals-_18th_century_bce/


33 posted on 07/16/2020 3:38:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Toughluck_freeper

What I find interesting is that before the Hebrews encountered and lived among the Egyptians, they had no physical representations of G-d’s presence, not the ark and no tabernacle nor temple. They from Abraham to Moses had the basic Noahide code for living according to laws G-d set down for the children of Noah, but none of the external trappings added after their time in Egyptian society.

Also interesting are some prayers to G-d that come into the bible after the Hebrews left Egypt that are nearly identical to prayers in some Egyptian temples - though the bible places them in the context of G-d and not an Egyptian god.


38 posted on 07/16/2020 4:13:16 PM PDT by Wuli (Get)
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