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I have already described some of the indicators of a charlatan. The fact that he has not registered a trial or sought institutional review board approval of any study is a red flag. His lack of publishing of any data or case study is a red flag. His mockery of the clinical trial process—the only means we have of knowing whether a treatment actually works—is a red flag. And so on.

There are real clinical trials going on for chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. These are registered trials, conducted with carefully reviewed protocols by people who are experts in their fields.

It is an unfortunate fact that charlatans pop up to take advantage of people, and they know just what to say to sway a certain group of people. They know how to make people trust them, at the same time casting doubts on the “medical establishment”—in other words, the practice of evidence based medicine. This guy seems no different.


29 posted on 05/20/2020 10:54:57 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org)
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RE: I have already described some of the indicators of a charlatan. The fact that he has not registered a trial or sought institutional review board approval of any study is a red flag.

Again, if you have an open mind you would at least listen to his interview where he actually ORGANIZED clinical trials with St. Francis Hospital in Roslyn,Long Island to replicate his protocol.

RE: It is an unfortunate fact that charlatans pop up to take advantage of people, and they know just what to say to sway a certain group of people.

You are ASSUMING that he is a charlatan and then ignoring the many other doctors who have REPLICATED his successes. You jump into conclusions too quickly.
This action is NOT an indicator of a charlatan but of someone who is willing to have his case actually TESTED.

RE: There are real clinical trials going on for chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. These are registered trials, conducted with carefully reviewed protocols by people who are experts in their fields.

Sure, and Dr. Zelenko never objected to them. But I find nothing wrong with him actually using the drugs on his patients and REPORTING on the results of his treatment. You keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you say it means.


34 posted on 05/20/2020 12:50:42 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: exDemMom

RE: It is an unfortunate fact that charlatans pop up to take advantage of people, and they know just what to say to sway a certain group of people.

Let’s look at examples of classic charlatans -— the old Travelling Medicine Show where peddlers sell their “medical cures” for various ailments to gullible people for money.

The predecessor to the traveling American medicine man was the European mountebank, well known throughout the Middle Ages and Renaissance for selling their medicinal wares at fairs, street corners, in market squares or wherever they could gather a crow of onlookers.

I think you have that in mind when you think of Dr. Zelenko.

Have you asked yourself if they are similar or are there HUGE differences? Here are the difference — refute them if you will:

1) The medicine men DO NOT tell us the formula behind their medicine. They simply ask you to trust that it works based on their stories.

Dr. Zelenko : 1) REFERS to scientific studies done using the SAME drugs that he is using; 2) PUBLISHES his protocol and patient profile for all to see so that they can be replicated.

2) The medicine men sell their wares for money. I am waiting for you show me how Dr. Zelenko is enriching himself by pushing a drug combo that is GENERIC, without a single monopolizing company, and costs less than $30.00

3) The medicine men usually tell others that this is a special ingredient that was discovered and does not invite doctors or scientists to test their miracle cure.

Dr. Zelenko INVITES other people to replicate his work, ORGANIZES a KNOWN catholic hospital with nearly a hundred year history to test his protocol and more importantly has MANY LICENSED DOCTORS who actually REPLICATED his success ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES *AND* the world.

It is an unfortunate fact that people like you IGNORE the huge difference, ignore the evidence, ignore the successful cases presented in order to insist that one must follow ONLY YOUR SPECIFICALLY APPROVED METHOD of inquiry in order to be accepted as efficacious.

If that is the case,then I have to say that even the drug the FDA approves of — the potentially more expensive Remdesivir, has less scientific and clinical evidence backing it than Hydroxychloroquine ( and I am not even against the use of Remdesivir ).


36 posted on 05/20/2020 1:36:46 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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