Some people are still saying that the Wuhan Flu isn’t just the flu. It is just the flu, bro. Normally the flu causes 10s of thousands of deaths each winter. Now some Fear-mongers are saying that historically the flu deaths have been exaggerated by the CDC, which therefore makes the 60k (exaggerated, but nonetheless) of Wuhan deaths much worse than the flu. The reality is that there has always been a seasonality to deaths with over a 100k of people in the USA dying in the winter versus the summer (about 10%-15% more deaths in the winter than the summer). A large part of that is due to the flu. The excess deaths (deaths beyond the historical average) we see over the past few weeks represent a small fraction of the 100k of excess deaths that we see in the winter. Based on excess deaths one could say that this is not worse than any flu and perhaps much less than the flu.
Although it is helpful and true to equate CV with the flu or minimize it with respect to the flu, I fear that in the future that we will have created a bad litmus test. Future lawmakers will see models for future pandemics that will say that some virus is going to be much worse than the flu so NOW we can reimpose draconian lockdowns and strip our freedoms from us. Some of these politicians may concede that maybe it was too strict with the Wuhan Flu but this time it would be really justified.
Not sure how many Flubros agree with this because this is beyond the scope of the criteria to be a Flubro or Flubra but...I don’t want some far in the future virus outbreak, that might actually be worse than the flu, to ever be used to justify a lockdown of healthy free citizens. I mean even with a really bad hypothetical virus (one that, unlike CV, might actually kill little children) - the policy should never be to strip away our freedoms and force healthy people to be locked down. This notion that locking down healthy people is an acceptable public policy needs to be permanently killed.
Ping. Freepmail Impimp to go on the ping list.
In before the crybaby fearbros.
US History provides some cases where the situation was rectified.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigilance_committee
Your analysis is spot on. I think the problem with the Fearpers is that they are using this to justify the stripping of our freedoms. Our liberties are not conditional. What most offends me is the notion that I have to be compelled to do what’s best for my family and livelihood. We have collectively lost the individual ability to act on our own.
I know what’s best for me and my family and i will also not do things not safe for those around me. I don’t really need the government to force me into it.
It is not that the government is fighting to strip us of our liver ties that concern me...it’s those among us who are happily handing those liberties over that scare me.
This is exactly where I am - we've basically jettisoned the Constitution in favor of imprisoning healthy people, and destroying their means of earning an income. And we've attempted to replace those earnings with the printing press, spewing out fiat money to keep food on their tables. The government has drastically overstepped its bounds, especially in some of the leftist states.
The left and the media (am I being redundant here?) have invoked an unnecessary fear in people, and have shown that they are perfectly willing to sacrifice the entire country to get their hands on power over the people. They are the enemy within, and we are seeing that unfold before our very eyes.
Subject:: It’s not about your health! (H/T Grampa Dave)
“When the State tells you it’s safe to go to Home Depot to buy a sponge but dangerous to go and buy a flower, it’s not about your health.
When the State shuts down millions of private businesses but doesn’t lay off a single government employee, it’s not about your health.
When the State bans dentists because its unsafe, but deems an abortion visit is safe, it’s not about your health.
When the State prevents you from buying cucumber seeds because it’s dangerous, but allows personal lottery ticket sales, it’s not about your health.
When the State tells you it’s dangerous to go golf alone, fish alone or be in a motor boat alone, but the Governor can get his stage make-up done, and hair done for 5 TV appearances a week, it’s not about your health.
When the state puts you IN a jail cell for walking in a park with your child because it’s too dangerous but lets criminals OUT of jail cells for their health- It’s not about YOUR health!
When the state tells you it’s too dangerous to get treated by a doctor for chiropractic or physical therapy treatments yet deems a liquor store essential- It’s not about your health!
When the State lets you go to the grocery store or hardware store but is demanding mail-in voting, ITS NOT ABOUT YOUR HEALTH.
WAKE UP PEOPLE — If you think this is all about your health you’re mistaken! Please open your eyes! Stop being lead like blind sheep.”
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Florida man stalks beach as Grim Reaper to protest reopening amid pandemic
In fairness, the Grim Reaper in question was actually Daniel Uhlfelder, a lawyer and campaigner for public beach access who put on a cowl and wielded a scythe in an attempt to alert Floridians to the dangers of reopening their economy too soon.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/02/florida-grim-reaper-beach-video-coronavirus
Latest narrative shift from the Anti-American swamp (and their useful idiots in the msm and right here) is you can’t compare flu deaths to covid because they are overcounting flu deaths. “Apples and oranges!” is the new phrase to use.
It is, of course, complete garbage designed to prevent folks from realizing how idiotic this whole response has been.
Here to debunk it (see pp 7-9 esp):
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4504370/#!po=16.3462
“we will have created a bad litmus test. Future lawmakers will see models for future pandemics that will say that some virus is going to be much worse than the flu so NOW we can reimpose draconian lockdowns and strip our freedoms from us.”
That’s exactly what will happen. They know that people, even so-called conservatives, will forfeit their liberties in a heartbeat, without question, if faced with the possibility of an invisible boogeyman. They know this, because this WuFlu social experiment was a success for them.
I think I have a nuanced position...NEVER AGAIN.
