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To: BenLurkin

Black Lives Matter. My uncle is a libertarian, hes pissed right now. He despises the police and he wants them gone.


10 posted on 04/21/2020 8:24:06 PM PDT by GuavaCheesePuff (I want to thank the Good Lord for making me a Yankee-Old Yankee Stadium (1923-2008))
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To: GuavaCheesePuff

Black lives do matter. So does every other life. I don’t like BLM’s politics. Almost all of these “people’s movements” have become infiltrated by leftists who push the group into the Dem party’s Bureau of Land Management (plantation).

I like people’s movements, of all kinds really. Even when I disagree. I like the people to challenge government when they think it is abusive, even if I disagree. That is what America is all about. The media long ago stopped being an honest check on government abuse.

BLM has some legitimate gripes, on paper. It’s sort of circular, double edged sword. Criminals prey on their own people. Rich white criminals prey on rich white people. Poor prey on other poor. So the poor inner city folks demand police step in to protect them from criminals. But this means more police presence, and more car stops - and the poor are more likely to give probable cause because they are poor they are more likely to have deferred maintenance issues like broken tail light, head lights, expired tags, etc that warrant a stop and search. So then the poor feel they are being picked on. When really, the cops are just doing what they are asked to do - protect the innocent poor from the criminals.

I don’t think the statistics show that “white cops” disproportionately shoot black innocents. But that is their perception and it is worth listening to. Because the problem is not easy to solve. Tell cops to back off, and crime rates rise and then the poor want more cops.

I think it is fair to say that the cops are going a little overboard right now. Some guy running alone on the beach, or surfing, or hiking alone, or sitting in a car with his wife and kids or in an empty park is no risk to anyone - until he is chased and tackled by 3 cops trying to enforce a closure order. It’s absurd. So without knowing your uncle’s particular beef, I can see my own reasons for being a little upset. This whole shutdown thing may in fact have zero real merit. It may have prevented a whole rush of people infected all at once that would have broken the healthcare system. Maybe. But there is no real proof of that. It’s just leap of faith by the same people who demand scientific rigor for using Hydroxychloriquine. At the same time we’ve been in lockdown for over a month now and cases keep rising in CA, IL, NJ etc. There is a theory that the virus just has to run its course and that the entire lockdown thing is just way too heavy handed. Social distance, limiting gatherings may have been just as effective. There is no scientific proof sheltering works. It’s just taken on faith. But they act like it is proof.

We don’t know how long the virus really incubates. We don’t know if reinfection can occur. We don’t know when a person is truly cured and no longer infectious. And the people are still out and about at markets, pot shops, liquor stores, pharmacies and other places. So it’s not really a “lockdown”. Civil libertarian would say, each person is responsible for themselves. If you are at risk and afraid, lock yourself down. If you are a free American, then do what free Americans do. Nobody should really be forcing anyone to do anything in America. At least not on this kind of scale. Quarantine yourselves if you want to.

And there are health, welfare, and economic consquences. Another freeper said this is not a life or death situation. It is a life or life situation, or death and death situation. It is up to each of us to be responsible for ourselves and not to be nannied, bullied, or ordered around for something that is not even proven to be effective and may just prolong the disease. Being in economic and physical lockdown comes with plenty of its own health problems; physical health, mental and emotional health, feeling of fulfillment, loneliness, and severe economic damage. And severe economic damage is directly correlated to poor health outcomes in general - rise in obesity and diabetes for example. So a skeptical mind may wonder if that isn’t part of the plan - stretch this thing out as long as possible for political advantage.


15 posted on 04/21/2020 8:48:49 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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