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To: Disestablishmentarian
you want a world without vaccines? Where 100 thousand kids a year die of measles, and measles encephalitis was a major cause of mental retardation. Rubella was a major cause of both retardation and autism. Polio resulted in many children paralyzed (I had two classmates paralyzed from it).

Where kids die of diphtheria or whooping cough, or meningitis, or where a simple cut can result in you convulsing with tetanus?

I've seen all these things: most in Africa but also in the USA in the “good old days’.

you know, what we now call “autistic” back in the 1950s were called retarded. Everyone knew of these kids: My aunt cared for her daughter at home for 37 years, for example, but most were institutionlized. High functioning autism were called nerds or a bit strange or called childhood schizophrenics.

As for HIV: It existed before the polio shots..but usually stayed inside the small villages and didn't spread. How did men catch it? the same way as Ebola: Bush meat. Hunting an infected monkey results in monkey bites. I always wonder why people worry about vaccines but ignore the pollution of carcinogenics and phyto estrogens in the environment, and ignore the brain damage from fetal alcohol syndrome or from illicit drug use in pregnant women.

320 posted on 04/15/2020 4:51:07 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: LadyDoc

I respect your experience, but do not think you are fully informed as to the origin of AIDS.

You might want to check out: “The River : A Journey to the Source of HIV and AIDS” – September 1, 1999 — by Edward Hooper. It is a long and utterly fascinating read.

Your measles assertion is wildly INCORRECT, at least as far as the USA.

“In 1960, three years before the first measles vaccine was approved for use in the U.S., there were approximately 442,000 reported measles cases and 380 related deaths among the 3.5 to 5 million Americans who likely were infected with measles. In 1969, measles deaths were estimated at 1 in 10,000 cases.”

There is a place for some vaccines. It is FAR, FAR less than are currently applied in the U.S.


326 posted on 04/15/2020 4:59:04 PM PDT by Disestablishmentarian ("the right of the people peaceably to assemble")
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To: LadyDoc; Disestablishmentarian

LadyDoc, are you saying that children need the huge number of vaccines now considered standard? And that there are no bad side effects or serious advsere reactions? Just wondering.


354 posted on 04/15/2020 5:46:46 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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