Corona virus daily thread #35

[ETCM]

As a kid, we had a large field adjacent to our house with an endless supply of wild mustard in the spring. We went out and filled grocery bags full, and that was our only leafy green for at least a month. Dandelion greens are a lot more work, but you can gather enough for a few servings pretty easily if they are abundant in your area.

[Steve Van Doorn]

Taken from previous thread
""2018 flu stats.............47 million cases......647,000 hospitalized.....67,000 died!!!" -Trump Girl Kit Cat

I agree with you that this is virus has been an over reaction from the start. It IS little worse then the common flu in Italy and China because they received "Antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE)" both banned by the FDA in 2004 and 2012 which makes a mild infection life threatening decades later (given the cells have a long memory)

It's very sad for me to read FR in the last few months

The death rate is death/total contracted. It is NOT death/confirmed cases of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19 is the symptoms from SARS-CoV-2) To calculate the death rate you need figures on the total number of people that contracted the virus. Lets take the worst case Italy which received the ADE. From these reports that makes the SARS-CoV-2 death rate at approximately 0.2% to 1.3% of those infected in Italy(corrected.) Which is far worse then the flu. Again, this is Italy. It will be far less in the States, Germany, UK and South Korea which didn't receive ADE.

From this report "individuals have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 up to 28th March, representing between 1.88%and 11.43% of those infected "
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-Europe-estimates-and-NPI-impact-30-03-2020.pdf

From this report: "We estimate 86% of all infections were undocumented"
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/03/24/science.abb3221

At least TRY to get your statistics right
It's very sad for me to read FR in the last few months all this feeling based drivel

[Steve Van Doorn]

I meant post 162 to be directed at Trump Girl Kit Cat; Jane Long; Vermont Lt; DEPcom and in this thread. not my day
Thanks

[Alcibiades]

All three of those are likely hiding in a bunker somewhere behind armed security and sending others out for their supplies.

[semantic]

Italy is a really good source of CV leading information. They are around 8 days ahead of the US (from dates of first reported CV deaths). They are 9 hrs ahead of those of us in Calif, so we can pull up their final daily tallies around noon time.

As usual, the question is when does the peak deaths occur? And, if we look to Italy, it appears they are currently bouncing around a plateau/top. If this trend holds up, then we should expect a peak in the US around Easter.

Here are the last 17 days totals in Italy vs US net NY. (US: 8 days actual, 9 days projected based on ratio/lag with Italy event to date.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Italy

[Mariner]

“I agree with you that this is virus has been an over reaction from the start.”

For the record, you are certainly not agreeing with me.

[Varsity Flight]

Full blown communism comes to U.S.

[Steve Van Doorn]

Agree with me or not. The death rate does NOT equal to confirmed cases/deaths. Which is stated this is the death rate which it clearly is not.

YOU know this. I'm asking why do you guys keep repeating that it is the death rate?

[Varsity Flight]

***** Extension of stay home ****

Dispute Panel established for Ohio businesses
All decisions final

[cgbg]

I know some folks around here don’t like Zero Hedge, but this looks like a very important article, and if there are errors in it, everyone should feel free to identify them:

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/hours-its-start-treasurys-small-business-bailout-verge-collapse

[RightGeek]

Obama Depleted the Nation’s Strategic Reserve of Ventilators, Respirators, and Surgical Masks — Stockpiled in Case of Bioweapon Attack or Pandemic — and Then Refused to Restock the Reserve for 8 Years, Preferring to Spend on His Socialist Priorities - http://ace.mu.nu/archives/386648.php

[willk]

Wow. You are posting a link to a story from the Huffington Post through Yahoo News as fact? Then you say “Nobody will see Hannity, Rush or Ingraham through the same lens again”?
Really? Really?

[palmer]

and whoever attended that conference in Boston.

There were people from Italy at that Biogen conference. They might have been asymptomatic, or they might have just decided to glad hand their colleagues while sick, since they flew across the ocean for that opportunitey.

It's worth noting that two days later there was a party in Princeton and two of the Boston conference attendees went there. They were local (Boston) so were presumably just infected at the Boston conference. One of the two (maybe both) managed to infect 12 out of 48 people in a single evening in New Jersey. My take is the upper respiratory infection (not the one the lower that kills people) happens very quickly and is very prone to spread with a sneeze or cough.

That party probably create a good chunk of the initial spread into central Jersey and eastern PA.

[Mariner]

“I’m asking why do you guys keep repeating that it is the death rate? “

I haven’t posted anything on the death rate other than current scientific projections as a percentage.

Who is you guys? I don’t think I’m one of them.

[cgbg]

Another important and related Zero Hedge article:

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/some-americans-might-wait-20-weeks-or-longer-coronavirus-stimulus-checks

If you see errors let us know.

[Mariner]

““Nobody will see Hannity, Rush or Ingraham through the same lens again”?

I stand by that assertion.

The article is irrelevant to it.

[Raebie]

bkmk

[Myrddin]

Nasty behavior. Spitting on others to spread infection.

[DEPcom]

The flyer you posted showed 49 Million infected, that is 5 million more then what is on the current CDC website (link below). The hospitalization is 10000 more and the deaths are way off of the CDC by 17901.

Maybe the flyer was printed before they finish determining the official numbers. I am very interested where you got the flyer image from? Do you have a link?

The CDC site shows:   2017 to 2018    44 million cases, 808129 hospitalizations, 61099 deaths

The total flu deaths is without Social Distances and Lock downs (stay at home). What would flu death rate have been if everybody practice Social Distances and Lock Downs.

Another point the flyer shows what the death rates of 8000 if everybody got vaccinated. I find that very interesting.
Cornonvirus does not have a vaccinate or approve treatment yet, so Coronvirus should be higher than the Flu.

CDC stats for 2017-2018 Flu Season

From USA Today: "The flu, a chronic killer that the nation has come to expect in yearly cycles – and the reason millions of Americans get flu shots – killed an estimated 508 people per day in the U.S. during the 2017-18 flu season, the nation's worst in the last decade, according to the CDC. This year's flu season has recorded an average of 383 deaths per day, CDC figures show."

The Coronavirus is just getting started. There was 1049 deaths yesterday with Social Distances and Lock downs.

USA today

[cgbg]

Something like half the world’s population is in lockdown right now (and that does not include China and Iran where accurate information is not available).

Some folks out there think this is a really big deal. :-)