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To: daniel1212
Here is a contrary view from three years ago which asks conservatives to look at the other side of the coin, a contrarian view that is not traditionally advanced on these threads:

The population of the United States has doubled in my father's lifetime and redoubled in my lifetime. This is not an arithmetic but an exponential rate of growth which cannot be sustained for very many more generations. My concern about exploding population is not offered out of Hobbesian theories of want but out of real fears concerning liberty. Even assuming we are theoretically capable of feeding billions more people, are we actually able to do so as a free people operating in a free market in a free society? Or are the leftists right when they say that the problem is too much freedom and not enough organization? Are we populating ourselves into a statist dystopia?

Nathan Bedford's Maxim: the more population density, the less liberty.

Look about you and consider how the left has compressed our liberties in the last three quarters of a century. Think of the strictures placed upon you for the environment. For example, it is no longer legal to burn a wood stove in parts of California. It is now the federal government that tells you as a rancher in Wyoming whether you could have a pond out back for geese and ducks. Your ability to charge rent in your New York City apartments has been controlled for decades by the government because of overcrowding. Your right to shoot a deer has been severely restricted and regulated and taxed. Your right to shoot a deer or a bear may have been entirely eliminated and there are no resemblance to the America of my forefathers who actually went hunting with Daniel Boone. The size of the toilet you flush and the bulb with which you illuminate the darkness is no longer a matter of choice.

The list is endless, indeed there is virtually no area of your life that is not currently regulated by the federal government or the state government and much of that is justified by the need to protect your neighbor from you. You also want the government to protect you from your neighbor, that is why we have zoning ordinances for example. All of these things come with density of population. A density of population which we might be able to feed but can we endure? Can we endure as free men? Can we feed them as free men?

Against this we have the inherent liberty to have children. Because one regards overpopulation as a threat to liberty does imply he also condones curtailing the liberty to have a family. Conversely, nor does it imply in any way that we should condone abortion. Perhaps we ought not to subsidize more children, but if you think we should, even as we do, perhaps, if we wish to be consistent, we should subsidize an unlimited inflow of immigrants?

The hordes rushing into Europe ought to give us pause before we blandly dismiss the downside of overpopulation.


14 posted on 03/12/2020 7:47:58 PM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

Agreed


23 posted on 03/12/2020 8:15:30 PM PDT by heartwood (Someone has to play devil's advocate.)
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To: nathanbedford

Nope, disagree,

The dystopian problems you mention are almost solely the result of too much government. Mankind has thusfar been able to feed itself barring natural catastrophies or evil human intervention.


27 posted on 03/12/2020 8:56:48 PM PDT by A strike (" Was that wrong? Should I not have done this? " - Costanza)
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To: nathanbedford

Overpopulation is a lie. Growing populations make the USA strong.


32 posted on 03/12/2020 9:30:03 PM PDT by impimp
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To: nathanbedford

The world population in 1918 was 1.8 billion.

Today, a mere 100 years later, it’s 7.6 billion.

Nature may decide for us whether that makes sense.


41 posted on 03/12/2020 11:20:59 PM PDT by Pelham (RIP California, killed by massive immigration)
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To: nathanbedford
The population of the United States has doubled in my father's lifetime and redoubled in my lifetime.

Actually, research shows it took about 300 years for the population to grow from 350 in 1610 (est., and did not include Native Americans until 1860) to its first 100 million (about 1915), then 50 years to attain to 200 million (1968), then about 40 years to grow to 300 million (2007), and this is estimated to grow to 400 million by 2060(about 50 years from 2007).

Look about you and consider how the left has compressed our liberties in the last three quarters of a century. Think of the strictures placed upon you for the environment. For example, it is no longer legal to burn a wood stove in parts of California. It is now the federal government that tells you as a rancher in Wyoming whether you could have a pond out back for geese and ducks. Your ability to charge rent in your New York City apartments has been controlled for decades by the government because of overcrowding. Your right to shoot a deer has been severely restricted and regulated and taxed. Your right to shoot a deer or a bear may have been entirely eliminated and there are no resemblance to the America of my forefathers who actually went hunting with Daniel Boone. The size of the toilet you flush and the bulb with which you illuminate the darkness is no longer a matter of choice. The list is endless, indeed there is virtually no area of your life that is not currently regulated by the federal government or the state government and much of that is justified by the need to protect your neighbor from you.

However, the problem is due to the character of the people. You can have a large families of disciplines yet happy kids in a crowded neighbor hood who never need the police called on them, as compared with those raised under the liberal victim-entitlement mentality. We live a low-income city with one of the most highest population densities in the nation, and it has about 100 police for about 2 sq. miles. Yet the pop. density was even greater in 1930 (46,000; though official census today is far less accurate here), yet i am sure 100 P.O. were not needed, and on Sundays churches were full.

Meanwhile due to The Pill, few Americans have children (though I myself am celibate by choice), or if they do it is one or two, and birth is delayed until the parents feel they can "afford" them, meaning avoid much sacrifice and spoil them and raise them as over sensitive, not having to share. As compared with when parents had children by nature, and all had to learn to share and sacrifice and learn to endure things.

And with an average age of 38.1 this place the US in the top third (61 out of 230) of countries in terms of average age (Italy is almost at the top), which is expected to grow to 43 by 2060, this would place the US in the top 20 countries in terms of average age, and soon the older will out number the younger.

43 posted on 03/13/2020 4:37:23 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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