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To: metmom

If you want facts and not just alamarist infodemic posts Go to this site https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
for updated numbers and you will see that no one, repeat no one under the age of 10 worldwide has died.

I know this won’t fly here but that is because the virus is mild compared to SARS etc. The death rate is much lower than reported because most cases are mild, and unreported that is why 3 UCLA students were suspected of having it and they tested negative and just have a cold.

Both HHS and New England Journal of Medicine now say its fatality rates is between 0.1% and 1%.

On Thursday HHS Assistant Secretary Admiral Brett Giroir told reporters, “The best estimates now of the overall mortality rate for COVID-19 is somewhere between 0.1% and 1%. That’s lower than you heard probably in many reports … it’s not likely in the range of 2 to 3%.”

This puts coronavirus on par with a typical flu epidemic to something slightly higher — NOT something like a SARS or MERS virus with a much higher mortality rate.
Via NBC News.

New England Journal of Medicine :
Many corona virus cases are so mild they’re not even being reported, Fauci explained in an editorial he co-wrote in the same issue of the NEJM. Co-authors include Dr. Robert Redfield, who directs the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and Dr. Clifford Lane, deputy director of the NIAID.

“If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%,” Dr. Fauci and his colleagues explained.

“This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of COVID-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza pandemic [which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%] or a pandemic influenza [similar to those in 1957 and 1968],” the experts wrote.

Moderna and Regeneron, among others report that they already have a treatment (Regeneron who developed treatment for Ebola) ready for testing this summer-and you can expect it to be expedited-yes more sadly will die but nothing like the panic percentages-perhaps reach the level of 2009/2010 flu and sadly it is primarily seniors who are compromised and they deserve our prayers not panic.


823 posted on 03/08/2020 11:19:17 PM PDT by TECTopcat (TopCat)
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To: TECTopcat

We’ve posted many many many many many many times that kids don’t die from this.

If you’d bothered to read the thread you’d know this.

But they DO get infected.

And spread it around most excellently.

To their grandparents.

Who DO get it as well.

And end up in the ICU...

Kids are GREAT germ spreaders for this virus. You never even know they’re sick most of the time. Now go hug your gramma!


824 posted on 03/08/2020 11:21:21 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: TECTopcat

ALL of this reason and FACTS seem to go nowhere to some on this site, unfortunately they have fallen prey to the MSM hysteria which they know full well are beyond LIARS and exaggerate every damn thing they report or should I say MAKE UP!!! Such a shame that the intelligent people on this site are reacting in this way!!!


827 posted on 03/08/2020 11:32:47 PM PDT by Trump Girl Kit Cat (Yosemite Sam raising hell)
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To: TECTopcat
“If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%,” Dr. Fauci and his colleagues explained.

WHAT??!!!

Somebody has to pin Fauci or Redfield down on that. A "Case Fatality Rate" is defined by the number of reported fatalities divided by the number of REPORTED (and confirmed) CASES. Almost by definition, most "asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases" are, as you say, UNREPORTED. Therefor, the only way to compare CFR's is if the denominators have the same definition:

Compare flu reported fatalities divided by reported cases, vs. COVID-19 reported fatalities divided by reported cases, which in both diseases does NOT include the minimally symptomatic cases;

OR, come up with a comparison of estimated infection fatality rates = flu reported fatalities divided by estimated flu infections vs. COVID-19 reported fatalities divided by estimated COVID-19 infections.

Now, CDC estimates 40 million symptomatic flu illnesses in 2018-19 (middle of range), but, wait a minute, that doesn't include the estimated 30% of asymptomatic infections. So, that means something like 57 million flu infections in 2018-19. The "high end" number for flu deaths in 2018-19 is about 61,000 fatalities. That yields that number of ~0.1%, which is not a "case" rate, it is an estimated infection fatality rate.

The experts cited put the COVID-19 infection fatality rate (misnamed by them) at between 1% and 0.1%. So it's a pretty good guess that when* COVID-19 infections catch up with flu infections, the number of hospitalizations of COVID-19 patients will on the low end equal the number of flu hospitalizations in 2018-19 (600,000), and on the high end will be 10x the number of flu hospitalizations in 2018-19. Even neglecting a slight decline in current total hospital beds from 2018-19, adding on an additional 600,000 hospitalizations this year for COVID-19 will be a severe strain on our health care facilities and providers. A 5x or God forbid 10x increase is a disaster, which will then push up fatality rates for all causes.

*But wait, it gets even more fun. If 80% of COVID-19 cases are mild or asymptomatic, it will spread faster than flu*, eventually surpassing flu infection numbers, even if COVID-19 is not, particle per particle, more infectious than last year's flu(s). This is what we are seeing begin in some other countries. (China's lockdown can NOT be replicated here.) The only way to prevent this is to test virtually EVERYONE with high accuracy tests, and isolate all positives, fairly early on.

That last is exactly why a virus with a small but significant rate of serious or critical cases, and a large % of asymptotic cases, is actually more dangerous than a virus that makes almost everyone quite ill, and kills a higher % of it's victims.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6824a3.htm

850 posted on 03/09/2020 1:51:56 AM PDT by Paul R. (The Lib / Socialist goal: Total control of nothing left wort h controlling.)
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To: TECTopcat

To conclude prev. post: *Short of a China style lockdown, you can’t stop what you can’t detect.


851 posted on 03/09/2020 1:58:41 AM PDT by Paul R. (The Lib / Socialist goal: Total control of nothing left wort h controlling.)
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To: TECTopcat
If you want facts and not just alamarist infodemic posts Go to this site https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries for updated numbers and you will see that no one, repeat no one under the age of 10 worldwide has died.

Actually, this makes me feel better. My daughter is a nurse in the PICU at the same hospital I work for. She is also a transport nurse, who goes to other hospitals to pick kids up that are being transferred to our hospital. So she'll be on the front lines for any kids who get it.

1,200 posted on 03/09/2020 12:06:22 PM PDT by scouter (As for me and my household... We will serve the LORD.)
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To: TECTopcat; HollyB

Thank you both for the link.


1,476 posted on 03/09/2020 3:59:21 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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