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Coronavirus Live Thread. No 10.
3/5/2020

Posted on 03/05/2020 6:51:10 AM PST by Vermont Lt

A place to consolidate CoronaVirus Stories


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: chinavirus; communityspread; coronavirus; covid19; cvlivethread; livethread; sarscov2
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To: justa-hairyape

But it is too late. The CDC played him on this for a month. Unfortunately.


341 posted on 03/05/2020 11:59:39 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: RummyChick

The Asian stuff reads like the first stage of grief to me.

Only _they_ will get it = denial.


342 posted on 03/05/2020 12:00:16 PM PST by cgbg (The Democratic Party is morphing into the Donner Party)
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To: DEPcom

Plunge protection is in turbo mode. The stock market no longer reflects reality.


343 posted on 03/05/2020 12:00:24 PM PST by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: 9YearLurker

Dear Colleagues

Everyone is closely watching and monitoring the COVID-19 outbreak. This global emergency is presenting major challenges for our profession as we attempt to anticipate, tackle and eventually get ahead of it.

As there are many new experiences with this type of virus, we need to learn from those with more experience. Information is vital. As you will have seen, Northern Italy is in the middle of a crisis and Lombardy in particular has been severely affected. Our colleagues coordinating the emergency ICU response in Northern Italy have sent me the following message which they wish to convey to all our members.

I salute all the work our colleagues are doing, globally, faced with this situation. ESICM will endeavor to do its part to share accurate information and resources.

Wishing you all the strength needed in the coming months,

Yours respectfully

Prof. Jozef Kesecioglu
President, ESICM


Milan, 4 March 2020

Dear friends,

At this moment in time, we believe it is important to share our first impressions and what we have learned in the first ten days of the COVID-19 outbreak.

We have seen a very high number of ICU admissions, almost entirely due to severe hypoxic respiratory failure requiring mechanical ventilation.

The surge can be important during an outbreak and cluster containment has to be in place to slow down virus transmission.

We are seeing a high percentage of positive cases being admitted to our Intensive Care Units, in the range of 10% of all positive patients.

We wish to convey a strong message: Get ready!

We also want to share with you some key points from our experience:

Get ready now - with your ICU’s networks - to define your contingency plan in the event of an outbreak in your community
Don’t work “in silo”. Coordinate with your hospital management and other healthcare professionals to prepare your response
Make sure your hospital management and procurement office have a protocol in place about which personal protection equipment (PPE) to stock and re-stock
Make sure your staff is trained in donning and doffing procedures
Use education, training and simulation as much as possible
Identify early hospitals that can manage the initial surge in a safe way
Increase your total ICU capacity
Get ready to prepare ICU areas where to cohort COVID-19 + patients - in every hospital if necessary
Put in place a triage protocol to identify suspected cases, test them and direct them to the right cohort
Make sure you set clear goals for care with the patients and their families early on

With our best regards

Prof. Maurizio Cecconi Prof. Antonio Pesenti Prof. Giacomo Grasselli
President elect, ESICM University of Milan University of Milan
Humanitas University, Milan

https://mailchi.mp/esicm/the-future-of-haemodynamic-monitoring-first-webinar-of-the-year-1009715


344 posted on 03/05/2020 12:00:34 PM PST by LilFarmer
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To: justa-hairyape

“When can you buy Girl Scout cookies?
Councils conduct their cookie season for about a six- to eight-week period per year, most between January and April...”

What a great chance to meet asymptomatic kids in your area!

(Actually, this is meant as “dark humour”- don’t take it seriously! Still love those ‘thin mints’.)


345 posted on 03/05/2020 12:01:06 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts (M / F) : Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: justa-hairyape

I will sit where I am on the market and wait until the Virus stuff is over. Meanwhile I will do research for what to buy 4 months down the road.


346 posted on 03/05/2020 12:03:13 PM PST by DEPcom
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To: cgbg

Not looking good for WA state, especially the western part. A school district in the King Co. area has closed and will be tele-teaching 23,000 students.


347 posted on 03/05/2020 12:03:51 PM PST by Oorang (Tyranny thrives where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people - Alex Kozinski)
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To: LilFarmer
We are seeing a high percentage of positive cases being admitted to our Intensive Care Units, in the range of 10% of all positive patients.

That is terrifying. If it spreads like a weak flu then there are not enough beds in all US hospitals to handle tht load MUCH LESS beds in ICU's.

348 posted on 03/05/2020 12:04:20 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: 9YearLurker
To the best of my knowledge, there has NEVER been a war-gamed germ warfare attack where the response was swift enough, or decisive enough, not one, not even when the people gaming are trained and fully versed in the dangers of germ warfare.

What chance does any politician or petty bureaucrat have of doing better?

349 posted on 03/05/2020 12:06:17 PM PST by null and void (By the pricking of my lungs, Something wicked this way comes ...)
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To: cgbg

The five stages of grief as it applies to coronavirus:

https://psychcentral.com/lib/the-5-stages-of-loss-and-grief/

1. Denial—I and nobody I care about are Asian or over eighty years old and only Asians get the disease anyway.

2. Anger—Those Chinese did this to kill us—bioweapon! This is the finger pointing we are seeing from China, Iran and some FR posters!

3. Bargaining—Well maybe we contain this if we stop a few flights, close a few schools, wash our hands.

4. Depression—I saw a post here that some folks were getting depressed about this whole thing. Expect to see more of this.

5. Acceptance—We need to get here. This is nobody’s fault (at least without _solid_ proof). People really do dumb stuff. Most of our leaders are human and make mistakes. The virus is smarter than we are—until we work hard at figuring out what is going on. It is not the end of the world, but it is an ugly mess.


350 posted on 03/05/2020 12:08:27 PM PST by cgbg (The Democratic Party is morphing into the Donner Party)
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To: cgbg
I know there is debate about this, but I think the warmer weather will weaken the virus in the south.

With a normal virus you would be right... Let's hope you're right with an engineered one...

I'm concerned the Chinese were spraying down cars... cars that are out in the sunshine most of the time. We need to watch what they're doing (not what they're saying)... because they know the nature of this virus. And what it lives on and what kills it.

351 posted on 03/05/2020 12:08:48 PM PST by GOPJ ( http://www.tinyurl.com/cvirusmap https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/usmap.htm)
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To: Fury
Price of Nitrile gloves is going up too. $10/100 before and now about $17/100. Same Amazon source. Will jump higher before not available. Will have 2x100 gloves for personal use. May always be gloved out side going forward. And only going out when absolutely necessary.
352 posted on 03/05/2020 12:09:45 PM PST by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: LilFarmer

My God this is from a First World Country. Anybody confirm this letter source?


353 posted on 03/05/2020 12:12:03 PM PST by DEPcom
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To: Jane Long
That airport is like Grand Central Station, of airports, isn’t it?

Yes, for years I've heard that Atlanta and O'Hare in Chicago are the busiest airports in the US. Most anyone in the southeast going on a long trip will go through Atlanta.

354 posted on 03/05/2020 12:12:22 PM PST by Will88 (The only people opposing voter ID are those benefiting from voter fraud.)
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To: Solson

Prayers up!

Don’t touch anything! Take plenty of sanitizer and sanitizer wipes!!

Don’t eat there!


355 posted on 03/05/2020 12:12:26 PM PST by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.cuase)
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To: RummyChick

Those of us that have read a majority of the threads knew what it was. It has been posted on at least four earlier threads actually. Went offline and black for a few threads. But now that the mainstream is looking at these threads, the thread veterans may need to add some foot notes.


356 posted on 03/05/2020 12:14:45 PM PST by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: RummyChick

That was for Fury. That troll should have known.


357 posted on 03/05/2020 12:16:01 PM PST by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: cgbg

I got to 5 a while ago.

And started prepping.

It’s the only thing *I* can do to change my possible circumstances at this point.

‘some people did some things’. And I need to make sure my family can withstand those things to the best of my abilities.


358 posted on 03/05/2020 12:16:56 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

Yup.

Now we need the political leaders to get from 3 (where they are now), hopefully skip 4, and get to 5.

Fast.


359 posted on 03/05/2020 12:18:44 PM PST by cgbg (The Democratic Party is morphing into the Donner Party)
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To: DEPcom

You can keep clicking through LilFarmer’s link.

WARNING....not for the faint at heart.


360 posted on 03/05/2020 12:19:10 PM PST by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.cuase)
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