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To: Muslady; stylin19a
As stated in the Wiki page posted by Q, State Funerals are only for ex presidents (ex because they dead in the case of assasinations) or people designated by the president.

As the highest possible honor bestowed upon a person posthumously, state funerals are an entitlement offered to a sitting or former President of the United States, a President-elect, as well as other people designated by the President.

McCain did not receive a 'State Funeral,' but he did lie in state at the Capitol, which is not the same thing.

The only non presidents to have received a 'State Funeral' were Thaddeus Stephens, John Pershing, Douglas McArthur and the unknown soldiers of WWII and Korea.

State funerals have been held in Washington D.C. for William Henry Harrison (1841), Zachary Taylor (1850), Abraham Lincoln (1865), Thaddeus Stevens (1868), James A. Garfield (1881), William McKinley (1901), Warren G. Harding (1923), the Unknown Soldier of World War I (1921), William Howard Taft (1930), John J. Pershing (1948), the Unknown Soldiers of World War II and the Korean War (1958), John F. Kennedy (1963), Douglas MacArthur (1964), Herbert Hoover (1964), Dwight D. Eisenhower (1969), Lyndon B. Johnson (1973), Ronald Reagan (2004), Gerald Ford (2006-2007) and George H. W. Bush (2018).

1,359 posted on 01/24/2020 11:26:00 AM PST by irish guard
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To: irish guard; Muslady; smileyface; RitaOK; greeneyes; missthethunder

thanks for that. I dug some more. Found the web site for the agency in charge of State Funerals

This has a great description of the “what” - says much of what you are saying.
https://usstatefuneral.mdw.army.mil/docs/default-document-library/faq-sf-general-questions.pdf?sfvrsn=18473e0e_0

also a description of why the military\DOD is involved.
https://usstatefuneral.mdw.army.mil/docs/default-document-library/faq-sf-military-questions.pdf?sfvrsn=a486b034_0

From the same web site... a description of the “hows\why” and history - mostly addresses presidents...

https://usstatefuneral.mdw.army.mil/state-funeral-enduring-home

and descriptions of the cerimonies as it applies to presidents.

https://usstatefuneral.mdw.army.mil/docs/default-document-library/faq-sf-ceremonial-questions.pdf?sfvrsn=173bfd54_0

I sent an email to I think the right place, asking about Sen. McCain’s funeral status.

From now on, wiki as a quick or last resort. I’ll try to go to the horse’s mouth (or which ever end of the horse is talking that day)

Thanx.


1,362 posted on 01/24/2020 1:22:07 PM PST by stylin19a ((2016 - Best.Election.Of.All.Times.Ever.In.The.History.Of.Ever))
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To: irish guard; Muslady; RitaOK; smileyface; greeneyes
Discussion on McCain "State" funeral or not.
Is there a need to bring this forward ? or do we care anymore?
I received a reply from those that are in charge of "state" funerals.
The delay was because I directed it to the wrong dept back in January. The new request had a 3 days reply turnaround.

Sorry.

Does this clear up our discussion ? or is it a difference without a distinction?
McCain did not have a "state" funeral. He had a "congressional" funeral. No mention that lying in state in the rotunda is part of there responsibilities.
We do know that permission was needed by the bigshots in congress to allow McCain to lie in state in the Capitol.

Good afternoon:

  All serving members of the House and Senate are authorized a congressional funeral in accordance with DoD Instruction 4515.19.

  A congressional funeral is a category used by the Department of Defense to describe the type of funeral conducted to honor a sitting congressman or woman. Military ceremonial support is provided, by the U.S. Army Military District of Washington, at the church and interment sites. This may include: a joint service body bearer team of nine members representing the five armed forces; a firing party consisting of seven riflemen who will fire three volleys during the interment service; and a bugler who will play “Taps” once the rifle volleys are complete.

  For Senator John McCain, the aforementioned military ceremonial support was provided in both Arizona and Washington, D.C. A troop formation consisting of two platoons, a horse-drawn caisson, and a U.S. Navy four-ship flyover was also provided in honor of his service in the U.S. Navy, rank at retirement and time as a pilot. Additionally, military musical support for the family-sponsored funeral at Washington National Cathedral and transportation of his remains, from Arizona to Maryland, via military aircraft was provided at the request of congressional leadership.

    Very Respectfully,

_____________________________
Dustin R. Gabus
Public Affairs Specialist, Media Relations Division
Communication Office
Joint Force Headquarters - National Capital Region/
U.S. Army Military District of Washington

1,387 posted on 03/30/2020 3:41:48 PM PDT by stylin19a (2016 - Best.Election.Of.All.Times.Ever.In.The.History.Of.Ever)
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