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Neanderthals dived for shells to make tools, research suggests
The Guardian UK ^ | 15 Jan 2020 | Nicola Davis

Posted on 01/16/2020 4:47:28 PM PST by blueplum

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To: Cowboy Bob; blueplum; SunkenCiv
***The Neanderthals were an advanced race, but they were overwhelmed by the migrants coming out of Africa***

Perhaps they should have been scavenging for shotgun shells - and hoarding them!

21 posted on 01/17/2020 9:37:36 AM PST by Bob Ireland (The Democrap Party is the enemy of freedom.They use all the seductions and deceits of the Bolshevics)
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To: Bob Ireland
:^) It's a load anyway -- the Master Race from Africa model is strictly idealogical.

22 posted on 01/17/2020 9:51:21 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: ETCM

Saying that the shells were not heavily worn means they were live collected by a diver is a huge leap, and likely incorrect. I have found many, many beached shells in perfect condition, with the periostracum still intact, that would be difficult to distinguish from a live collected specimen. After storms I’ve found many with parts of the mollusk still present, and in some cases, still living.

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23 posted on 01/17/2020 10:13:05 AM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: SunkenCiv
***:^) It's a load anyway -- the Master Race from Africa model is strictly idealogical***

😄 We already established a while ago that humans left Africa due to lack of good homeowners insurance!

24 posted on 01/17/2020 10:32:54 AM PST by Bob Ireland (The Democrap Party is the enemy of freedom.They use all the seductions and deceits of the Bolshevics)
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To: Bob Ireland
I blame the white hispanic, George Zimmerman. He endangered the neighborhood by watching out for the neighbors.

25 posted on 01/17/2020 10:35:48 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv
***I blame the white hispanic, George Zimmerman. He endangered the neighborhood by watching out for the neighbors***

That's it! I will edit my history books... tell Harvard!
VE RI Tiring

26 posted on 01/17/2020 10:43:53 AM PST by Bob Ireland (The Democrap Party is the enemy of freedom.They use all the seductions and deceits of the Bolshevics)
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To: blueplum; SunkenCiv
Ignorance on display:

Villa said the findings suggested Neanderthals were collecting shells by diving to depths of about two to four metres.: “Callista chione are found in coastal waters from one to 180 metres below sea level. But Neanderthals did not have scuba diving equipment,” she said.

How stupid can an archæologist get? I spent an entire summer -- without even a snorkel -- routinely diving to depths over four meters. All that's required is floating on the surface, taking a deep breath, pointing your head downward -- and going for it. At four meters, I had almost two minutes comfortable exploring time per dive.

"SCUBA" is definitely a non sequitur and willful hyperbole in this "Villa" word-barf!

Small wonder that I despise many "professional" archæologists -- and steadfastly remain an active "avocational"...

27 posted on 01/17/2020 11:03:07 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's alias | "Islam": Allah's useful idiots | Brennan & 0b0z0: Islam's useful idiots)
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:^D Besides, if they found the Neander's scuba gear, they'd just assume it was a modern intrusion! ;^)

28 posted on 01/17/2020 11:23:32 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve

in local libraries
"Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]

29 posted on 01/17/2020 12:07:49 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: blueplum

The Song of Neanderthal People

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCV6paTXyCU


30 posted on 01/17/2020 12:21:44 PM PST by Reily
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To: PIF

Mussels are a prime source of B12 and manganese (stress, bones and metabolism). Crab is wayyy higher in b12, but it’s heavy in selenium and copper, both toxic in large amounts (neurologic/psychologic). In a starvation situation, I’d definitely be hunting mussels over crab, well, if I knew then what I know now. Maybe they knew, too?


31 posted on 01/17/2020 6:56:22 PM PST by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017)
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To: blueplum

To be clear: mollusks (clams, oysters, mussels) were considered food ONLY when faced with starvation by native peoples. They had no idea of the nutritional value we place on them. They had their own ideas what was fit to eat or not.

“By large amounts” means pounds of selenium and copper - not eating a crab or two. You’d have to eat selenium and copper by the handful - the rest is just new age hype designed to create vegetarians.

Don’t fall for the FUD.


32 posted on 01/18/2020 2:22:19 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: blueplum

the first person to ever eat a crab had to be one hungry individual...


33 posted on 01/18/2020 2:48:38 AM PST by heavy metal (your reward will be in heaven not on your paycheck...)
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To: blueplum

How do they know they didn’t just find the shells washed up on shore?


34 posted on 01/20/2020 2:18:32 PM PST by rfreedom4u (The root word of vigilante is vigilant!)
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How do they know they didn’t just find the shells washed up on shore?

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35 posted on 01/20/2020 2:20:20 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Cowboy Bob

The Neanderthals were an advanced race, but they were overwhelmed my the migrants coming out of Africa. Sort of like what’s happening today.

Interesting idea, but I don’t think they were an “advanced race”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbHj-Q1FTj8


36 posted on 01/20/2020 2:40:29 PM PST by samtheman (I hope someone close to Trump is reading FR every day.)
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https://www.archaeology.org/issues/381-2005/world

https://www.archaeology.org/images/MJ2020/World/ATW-Italy.jpeg

Neandertal clam divers

ATW Italy

(2020 Villa et al.)

ITALY: Neanderthals have long had the reputation of being Homo sapiens’ less sophisticated older cousins, but many recent studies have shown that they were more advanced than previously thought. Analysis of shell tools from Grotta dei Moscerini suggests that, 100,000 years ago, some Neanderthals were capable of diving for clams in shallow water. While the cave’s Neanderthal inhabitants are known to have collected dead clams on the seashore, the new research indicates that some of the bivalves were harvested live, directly from the seafloor.


37 posted on 08/07/2020 10:21:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: blueplum
Did they use sunscreen?

With suncreen

Without sunscreen


38 posted on 08/07/2020 10:32:42 PM PDT by Daffynition (*Mega Dittoes and Mega Prayers* & :))
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