[nagant]

>>Keto is a highly effective short-term protocol for weight loss/fat loss. Better to do it by focusing on getting adequate protein, & to go easy on added fat. i.e. don’t dump butter in your coffee. Get your fats primarily from whole-food sources. Don’t freak out about gluconeogenesis by skimping on protein. Protein is key. Beware of the grifters doling out keto advice... Much of it is bad.<<

Funny, I’ve been on a meat and fat only diet now for about 4 years. All it’s done is make me healthier and leaner.

.....except for one episode of hand and wrist pain. I went to a doc. I told him about my diet. He told me that too much protein is bad for the kidneys. That’s because I had a BUN one point above range. He couldn’t diagnose my hand/wrist pain. I went home and a couple of weeks later increased my fat to protein intake ratio. That cured my pain. Subsequently I figured out that I had a mild form of the bends, with too much nitrogen in my blood. It concentrates in joints.

Also from experience, gluconeogenesis is definitely a problem. Animal fat is the solution.

Grifter out.

[BobL]

“I went home and a couple of weeks later increased my fat to protein intake ratio.”

There was an Arctic explorer dude who lived with the Eskimos for a year and ate EXACTLY what they ate, meaning no carbs and tons of fat. He told everyone about it (this was around 100 years ago) and they didn’t believe him. He said fine, and ate the same diet in a controlled, hospital, setting for another year to prove it. His health, of course, was perfect - but with one exception - he too went protein heavy and it was messing him up. Once he corrected, he was fine.

[doctor noe]

Sounds like you were able to successfully fine-tune things. Different for everybody, & most don’t have the patience to experiment. The concern that excessive protein is bad for the kidneys is largely a red herring for most people. There is no one-size fits all protocol, but to preach about getting moderate protein is not a good idea, especially if you’re trying to gain/preserve lean mass. To clarify, I was only referring to excessive amounts of added fat, not fat from meat/eggs/fish & other whole-food sources.