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Hydrocortisone, Ascorbic Acid and Thiamine (HAT Therapy) for the Treatment of Sepsis. Focus on Ascorbic Acid
Nutrients Journal ^ | 2018 Nov 14 | Paul E. Marik

Posted on 12/24/2019 6:37:09 PM PST by ConservativeMind

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To: ConservativeMind

Had severe sepsis a year ago and still feeling its effects. Was given less than 1% chance of survival, doctors pressured my family to pull the plug saying I was hopeless and probably had brain damage from my heart stopping several times and my brain going without oxygen for over 15 minutes. Fortunately my sister insisted they continue treatment and I made it. (after 3 1/2 months in hospital), While researching after I came across the vitamin C+ hydrocortisone study, and also this:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3489087/


81 posted on 12/25/2019 4:21:24 PM PST by jimwatx
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To: nikos1121

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82 posted on 12/25/2019 5:00:51 PM PST by Chickensoup (Voter ID for 2020!! Leftists totalitarian fascists appear to be planning to eradicate conservatives)
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To: jimwatx

In addition to the mung bean extract mentioned above, green tea polyphenols, the Chinese herb Danshen, the common flavonoid Quercetin, and a few other natural substances also inhibit high-mobility group box 1, the late mediator of lethal sepsis.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17987129
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19265175

Since there is currently no effective treatment besides supportive measures, it’s ridiculous that these common harmless substances haven’t been studied further. Guess no money since natural substances can’t be patented.


83 posted on 12/25/2019 5:13:23 PM PST by jimwatx
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To: Chickensoup

That’s prednisone


84 posted on 12/25/2019 5:14:04 PM PST by nikos1121
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To: wardaddy; Mom MD

I don’t know that my nephrologist would agree with the idea that prednisone is “remarkably safe”; it’s a powerful drug, it’s got a list of side effects as long as your arm, and she was always trying to get me to switch to Cellcept or some other immunosuppressant. She said that the only reason that I wanted to stick with prednisone is because I was already used to all the weird crap that it does.

I was taking 60mg a day for months and during the first week or so I was wired to the gills. Barely slept, if at all. I don’t recommend that as a lifestyle. Took a long time to get weaned off of it. And being impatient, I rushed that too quickly and found out what adrenal shock is like.


85 posted on 12/25/2019 6:34:42 PM PST by Pelham (Obama. Seditious conspiracy. Misprision of treason.)
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To: jimwatx

That is my concern with HAT therapy, as well.

‘It’s too simple and cheap to do anything useful.’


86 posted on 12/25/2019 9:18:08 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: jimwatx

Thank you for those.


87 posted on 12/25/2019 9:22:07 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: jimwatx

if you don’t mind my asking Jim- were you aware during your sepsis? Or were you out of it? I ask because I am curious whether a person going through sepsis is conscious and suffering, or not- Sop many folks get it, and i just hope there isn’t much suffering with it? Was there high fever with it?


88 posted on 12/26/2019 9:33:22 AM PST by Bob434
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To: Pelham

prednisone is usually only given short term and is quite safe- some folks however have to be on it long term and high doses- and usually they have to make a choice to suffer prednisone side effects, or the worse alternative of their conditions-

I stopped cold turkey once- was on 60 mg day and just stopped- big big mistake- don’t ever do that- I learned the hard way-


89 posted on 12/26/2019 9:36:33 AM PST by Bob434
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To: Bob434

No I was delirious at home, had no awareness that my temp was 104 w/double pneumonia, just felt incredibly weak. But my best friend and sisters who I was texting back and forth with urged me to go to hospital as I seemed to be fading out. Actually drove myself there, have no recollection of of anything after that point. It was a very close call. Hospital actually pressured my family to pull the plug, said my brain went without oxygen too long and I’ be a vegetable. Fortunately family didn’t listen to them ;)


90 posted on 01/04/2020 1:11:31 AM PST by jimwatx
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i had pneumonia once too and like you say, I wasn’t aware how bad it was till i tried to get up and walk and fell over from weakness- and i had to be convinced also to go to hospital- i just felt it was a ‘bad flu’ and would pass- thankfully i got there in time and got the needed treatment-

They say that pneumonia is the ‘old man’s friend’, as i guess the person goes into a coma-like state and doesn’t realize what’s going on, if so, it sounds like a good way to go- I was worried one might ‘drown’ because of fluid in lungs, but i guess that’s not the case-


91 posted on 01/04/2020 8:55:53 AM PST by Bob434
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