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To: OIFVeteran; DoodleDawg; BroJoeK; jeffersondem; DiogenesLamp; rockrr
>>OIFVeteran wrote: "Really, quoting Hitler? I should just invoke Godwin’s law. However, since you played that card first I’ll go ahead with a rebuttal. The Confederates were much more aligned with Nazi ideology than Lincoln and the US were."

Not a chance. The Confederates believed in the sovereignty of the individual states; Hitler, like Lincoln, rejected federalism in favor of consolidation and central planning. Both were, after all, socialists.

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>>OIFVeteran wrote: "Confederate ideology was just Nazism lite. How so? The Nazi leaders believed that certain people were sub-humsn and needed to be exterminated. The confederate leaders believed that certain people were sub-human and needed to be enslaved.

Lincoln had some of his chosen war-criminals disguised as military officers try to exterminate the Indians. Have you ever heard of the Bear Creek Massacre that occurred on January 29, 1863? How about the Sand Creek Massacre in the spring of 1864? Lincoln also believed blacks were inferior to whites, or could we say, sub-human?

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>>OIFVeteran wrote: "Just as the German Army rounded up Jews to be sent to extermination camps. The confederate army rounded up black Americans and sent them to be enslaved. Just as the US army liberated the Jews in WW2 the US Army liberated the slave in the civil war. By the end of the war 4 million men, woman, and children had been freed from the chains of bondage."

What about slavery in the North? Did you forget about that? How about the New England slave trade? Did you forget about that?

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>>OIFVeteran wrote: "Here’s proof that Jefferson Davis would have been right at home in the SS. "
>>OIFVeteran quoting: "My own convictions as to negro slavery are strong. It has its evils and abuses...We recognize the negro as God and God’s Book and God’s Laws, in nature, tell us to recognize him - our inferior, fitted expressly for servitude...You cannot transform the negro into anything one-tenth as useful or as good as what slavery enables them to be.”~Davis >>OIFVeteran quoting: "For us, this is not a problem you can turn a blind eye to-one to be solved by small concessions. For us, it is a problem of whether our nation can ever recover its health, whether the Jewish spirit can ever really be eradicated. Don’t be misled into thinking you can fight a disease without killing the carrier, without destroying the bacillus. Don’t think you can fight racial tuberculosis without taking care to rid the nation of the carrier of that racial tuberculosis. This Jewish contamination will not subside, this poisoning of the nation will not end, until the carrier himself, the Jew, has been banished from our midst. Source: D Irving, The War Path: Hitler’s Germany 1933-1939. Papermac, 1978, p.xxi"

This is proof that Lincoln would have been right at home with the SS:

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, [applause]—that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will for ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race." [Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois, September 18, 1858, in Roy P. Basler, "The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln Vol 3." Rutgers University Press, 1953, pp.145-146]

"What I would most desire would be the separation of the white and black races." [Speech at Springfield, Illinois, July 17, 1858, in Basler, Roy P., "The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln Vol 2." Rutgers University Press, 1953, pp.520-521]

That is not the half of it.

Mr. Kalamata

703 posted on 01/14/2020 10:11:17 PM PST by Kalamata (BIBLE RESEARCH TOOLS: http://bibleresearchtools.com/)
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To: Kalamata
Quit changing the subject. Yes or no. Did the Nazi leadership believe that some people were sub-human and needed to be exterminated? YES. Did the confederate leadership believe some people were sub-human and they needed to be enslaved? YES. None of your wiggling or false moral equivalency changes that.

Show me anywhere that a leader of the confederacy stated a belief as Lincoln did in his letter to Horace Greeley.

I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men every where could be free.

Yours, A. Lincoln.

707 posted on 01/15/2020 3:58:29 AM PST by OIFVeteran
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To: Kalamata
From the federalist 14.

I submit to you, my fellow-citizens, these considerations, in full confidence that the good sense which has so often marked your decisions will allow them their due weight and effect; and that you will never suffer difficulties, however formidable in appearance, or however fashionable the error on which they may be founded, to drive you into the gloomy and perilous scene into which the advocates for disunion would conduct you. Hearken not to the unnatural voice which tells you that the people of America, knit together as they are by so many cords of affection, can no longer live together as members of the same family; can no longer continue the mutual guardians of their mutual happiness; can no longer be fellowcitizens of one great, respectable, and flourishing empire. Hearken not to the voice which petulantly tells you that the form of government recommended for your adoption is a novelty in the political world; that it has never yet had a place in the theories of the wildest projectors; that it rashly attempts what it is impossible to accomplish. No, my countrymen, shut your ears against this unhallowed language. Shut your hearts against the poison which it conveys; the kindred blood which flows in the veins of American citizens, the mingled blood which they have shed in defense of their sacred rights, consecrate their Union, and excite horror at the idea of their becoming aliens, rivals, enemies. And if novelties are to be shunned, believe me, the most alarming of all novelties, the most wild of all projects, the most rash of all attempts, is that of rendering us in pieces, in order to preserve our liberties and promote our happiness. James Madison

Here James Madison war s is to never allow America to be “rendered into pieces”, the very thing that the southern rebels did. As conservatives we are suppose to believe in the original intent of the founding fathers and the constitution. I have posted many quotes from the founders showing their intent was that the Union was to be perpetual. Yet you still don’t it. I think you should stop calling yourself conservative.

713 posted on 01/15/2020 6:33:18 AM PST by OIFVeteran
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