The founders never expected the British empire to just let them go. That’s why Benjamin Franklin said “We Must All Hang Together, or Most Assuredly, We Will All Hang Separately” when he signed the Declaration of Independence. The founders never claimed they seceded from the British empire they knew they were rebelling.
Now governments and country’s also have the natural right of self-defense. So when a group of people invokes their natural right of rebellion they are appealing to force, arms, military might. That’s why in that quote of Lincoln you lost causers always like to throw around he says “and having the power”.
The founders even stated to the world that governments shouldn’t be changed for any old reason. As the founders state in the DoI “...that governments long established should not be thrown off for light and transient causes.” They then stated when the natural right of rebellion should be invoked, “But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
We can also look at the actions of the founders to show how much they endured until they declared their independence. In 1765 England introduced the stamp tax. Our founders then labored for 11 years attempting to get England to acknowledge their rights as Englishmen. Do you really believe any revolutionary founding father would have said to the southern secessionist “oh, a party you didn’t like won the Presidency in an election in a constitutional Republic that has a series of checks and balances and you want to rebel? They would have laughed at the secessionists!
Except when a nation specifically says people have a right to leave without having to go through "revolution" or "rebellion."
When the nation says you have a right to leave, it is not "rebellion" to exercise the right the nation says you have.
The founders never claimed they seceded from the British empire they knew they were rebelling.
The laws of Britain had no provision whatsoever to allow for subjects to throw off their allegiance to the King. Allegiance was "perpetual."
However, the founding charter of this nation expressly articulates that the right to independence is a natural right given by God, and that all people possess the right to "dissolve the political bonds joining them with another."
So you see, that's the difference between British Law and American Law. Our law recognizes a right to have independence, therefore exercising this right is not rebellion. It is consistent with our own founding principle.
The founders even stated to the world that governments shouldn’t be changed for any old reason.
Operative word here being "should." "Should" is in the eye of the beholder. Do you only do those things you "should" do, or do you ever do things you shouldn't do, but do so because that is what you want to do?
Do you have a right? If so, whether or not you should exercise that right is up to you, isn't it?
In case you missed it, I pointed out that you liked to post the various secession statements from the three states that can clearly fit the "it's all about slavery!" narrative, so because it seems as if you want support of slavery to be the only reason why the Southern states seceded, I am asking you if you consider the reasons why states want to secede significant?
Do you consider their reasons for seceding important to the discussion?