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To: Kalamata; BroJoeK
what do you think James Madison, the father of the constitution meant when he wrote this;

From James Madison to Alexander Hamilton

N. York Sunday Evening [20 July 1788]

My Dear Sir

Yours of yesterday is this instant come to hand & I have but a few minutes to answer it. I am sorry that your situation obliges you to listen to propositions of the nature you describe. My opinion is that a reservation of a right to withdraw if amendments be not decided on under the form of the Constitution within a certain time, is a conditional ratification, that it does not make N. York a member of the New Union, and consequently that she could not be received on that plan. Compacts must be reciprocal, this principle would not in such a case be preserved. The Constitution requires an adoption in toto, and for ever. It has been so adopted by the other States. An adoption for a limited time would be as defective as an adoption of some of the articles only. In short any condition whatever must viciate the ratification. What the New Congress by virtue of the power to admit new States, may be able & disposed to do in such case, I do not enquire as I suppose that is not the material point at present. I have not a moment to add more than my fervent wishes for your success & happiness.

James Madison

549 posted on 01/11/2020 5:01:38 AM PST by OIFVeteran
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To: OIFVeteran; BroJoeK; jeffersondem; DiogenesLamp; rockrr; DoodleDawg
>>OIFVeteran wrote: "what do you think James Madison, the father of the constitution meant when he wrote this?"

"From James Madison to Alexander Hamilton
N. York Sunday Evening [20 July 1788]
My Dear Sir

"Yours of yesterday is this instant come to hand & I have but a few minutes to answer it. I am sorry that your situation obliges you to listen to propositions of the nature you describe. My opinion is that a reservation of a right to withdraw if amendments be not decided on under the form of the Constitution within a certain time, is a conditional ratification, that it does not make N. York a member of the New Union, and consequently that she could not be received on that plan. Compacts must be reciprocal, this principle would not in such a case be preserved. The Constitution requires an adoption in toto, and for ever. It has been so adopted by the other States. An adoption for a limited time would be as defective as an adoption of some of the articles only. In short any condition whatever must viciate the ratification. What the New Congress by virtue of the power to admit new States, may be able & disposed to do in such case, I do not enquire as I suppose that is not the material point at present. I have not a moment to add more than my fervent wishes for your success & happiness.

"James Madison

Madison explained to Hamilton that the Constitution had already been debated in Convention and sent to the states; and no modifications (conditional ratifications) were allowed during the ratification process.

Of course, a provision for Amendments was included in the Constitution.

Ironically, that statement by Madison proves the ratification provisions of Virginia, New York, and Rhode Island, declaring state sovereignty (e.g. the right to secession,) were already incorporated into the Constitution in Convention. That is an important legal point!

Mr. Kalamata

568 posted on 01/11/2020 10:53:42 AM PST by Kalamata (BIBLE RESEARCH TOOLS: http://bibleresearchtools.com/)
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