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To: Mr Rogers

“Those who promoted slavery may be burning in hell.”

This sounds like Kapernick-style wish-casting about the eternal destiny of Washington, Jefferson, Madison and over half of the signers of the Declaration of Independence?

Remember, of the original 13 states, 13 of them were slave states. And 13 of them voted to enshrine slavery into the constitution of the United States.


48 posted on 12/22/2019 10:31:14 AM PST by jeffersondem
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To: jeffersondem
This sounds like Kapernick-style wish-casting about the eternal destiny of Washington, Jefferson, Madison and over half of the signers of the Declaration of Independence?

To you perhaps but not to normal people.

Remember, of the original 13 states, 13 of them were slave states. And 13 of them voted to enshrine slavery into the constitution of the United States.

The same tired revisionist lie from demo jeff...

52 posted on 12/22/2019 12:45:34 PM PST by rockrr ( Everything is different now...)
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To: jeffersondem

Well, i’ll be deloris, there is one in every crowd. Look thar at that indivijual trying to rewrite him some good ole fashion history. Maybe the Kommon Kore thingamajabby dun taught him gud. Hey little feller how do you do dat? Cuz no where in my tree lined pages does it tell me that 13 states enshrined slavery. Cuz I’ll tell you what, that thar clause in these formerly nicotine stained hands, thanks to the south, you know the one. The one about how slaves be three-fifths human, dun put up great consternation among our great pappies of yore. Now get along little doggie and go read sum gud ole history bout dem dere farmers and plantation owners and gud ole city folk have a down right ole beat down on the subject in those great halls of the Continental Congress back yonder. Kommon Kore sux.


58 posted on 12/22/2019 4:28:49 PM PST by zaxtres
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To: jeffersondem

From the National Archives:

“It took 10 months for the first nine states to approve the Constitution. The first state to ratify was Delaware, on December 7, 1787, by a unanimous vote, 30 - 0. The featured document is an endorsed ratification of the federal Constitution by the Delaware convention. The names of the state deputies are listed, probably in the hand of a clerk. The signature of the President of Delaware’s convention, Thomas Collins, attests to the validity of the document, which also carries the state seal in its left margin. Delaware’s speediness thwarted Pennsylvania’s attempt to be first to ratify in the hope of securing the seat of the National Government in Pennsylvania.

The first real test for ratification occurred in Massachusetts, where the fully recorded debates reveal that the recommendation for a bill of rights proved to be a remedy for the logjam in the ratifying convention. New Hampshire became the ninth state to approve the Constitution in June, but the key States of Virginia and New York were locked in bitter debates. Their failure to ratify would reduce the new union by two large, populated, wealthy states, and would geographically splinter it. The Federalists prevailed, however, and Virginia and New York narrowly approved the Constitution. When a bill of rights was proposed in Congress in 1789, North Carolina ratified the Constitution. Finally, Rhode Island, which had rejected the Constitution in March 1788 by popular referendum, called a ratifying convention in 1790 as specified by the Constitutional Convention. Faced with threatened treatment as a foreign government, it ratified the Constitution by the narrowest margin (two votes) on May 29, 1790.” https://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/constitution-day/ratification.html

Yeah, looks like they voted to enshrine slavery all right. As if there was any doubt.


60 posted on 12/22/2019 4:39:12 PM PST by zaxtres
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To: jeffersondem

And you sound like a typical liberal that claims all the founding fathers were just a bunch of rich old slave owning white men that really didn’t believe what the Declaration of Independence stayed; “that all men are created equal”.

Most of the founding fathers realized that slavery was incompatible with the ideals expressed in our founding. However they believed at the time that it was more important to have all the states be part of the United States, so they had to compromise; primarily with Georgia and South Carolina being the most vocal supporters of slavery. Don’t believe me? Look at the words of the founders themselves.

“It being among my first wishes to see some plan adopted, by which slavery in this country may be abolished by law.” - George Washington Letter to John Mercer, September 9, 1786

“I wish from my soul that the legislature of this State could see a policy of a gradual Abolition of Slavery.”
- George Washington: letter to Lawrence Lewis, August 4, 1797

“Every measure of prudence, therefore, ought to be assumed for the eventual total extirpation of slavery from the United States.... I have, throughout my whole life, held the practice of slavery in... abhorrence.”
John Adams: letter to Evans, June 8, 1819

“It is much to be wished that slavery may be abolished. The honor of the States, as we as justice and humanity, in my opinion loudly call upon them to emancipate these unhappy people. To contend for our own liberty, and to deny that blessing to others, involves an inconsistency not to be excused.”
-John Jay: to R. Lushington - March 15, 1786

“Would any one believe that I am master of slaves by my own purchase? I am drawn along by the general inconvenience of living without them. I will not — I cannot justify it, however culpable my conduct. I will so far pay my devoir to Virtue, as to own the excellence and rectitude of her precepts, and to lament my want of conformity to them. I believe a time will come when an opportunity will be afforded to abolish this lamentable evil. Everything we cam do, is to improve it, if It happens in our day; if not, let us transmit to our descendants, together with our slaves, a pity for their unhappy lot, and an abhorrence of Slavery. If we cannot reduce this wished-for reformation to practice, let us treat the unhappy victims with lenity. It is the furthest advancement we can make toward justice. It is a debt we owe to the purity of our religion, to show that it is at variance with that law which warrants Slavery.”
-Patrick Henry letter to John Alsop Jan13, 1773


69 posted on 12/23/2019 7:31:32 AM PST by OIFVeteran
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