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To: Bull Snipe; BroJoeK
>>Lincoln signed it, Joey, which was unheard of for an Amendment proposal since that was strictly a congress-states matter.
>>Bull Snipen wrote: "I believe you are incorrect in your statement. Lincoln did not sign the joint resolution of congress to amend the constitution (aka Corwin Amendment). President James Buchanan signed a copy of the joint resolution on March 2 1861 and left it on the desk in the White House. On March 16th of 1861, Lincoln signed a cover letter to the joint resolution and forwarded it to the Governors of all the states, including the seven states that had seceded from the union."

I believe you are correct. Thanks for the info.

I had read that Lincoln promoted the Amendment, and may have even introduced it behind the scenes. I only assumed that was his signature. This is a good summary of what I found:

"Curiously, the amendment's namesake – Ohio Rep. Thomas Corwin – was neither its originator nor even its primary sponsor. He inherited the proposal as the Republican chairman of the 'Committee of Thirty Three,' a hastily-convened ad hoc legislative committee in the House that handled compromise proposals to avert the secession crisis. Its original House sponsor was committee member Charles Francis Adams, and even he received the text from the Senate version introduced by Lincoln's soon-to-be Secretary of State William H. Seward. How Seward came to propose the measure is itself a matter of historical uncertainty, though a decent amount of evidence points to none other than Lincoln himself. As Lee's article details and surviving letters attest, Seward introduced the amendment to the Senate following a conversation with Republican operative Thurlow Weed. A long time Seward ally, Lincoln summoned Weed to Springfield for a meeting on December 20, 1860 to talk about the prospective compromise measures being floated in Congress. Weed returned to New York with a short memorandum from Lincoln outlining his thoughts on the fugitive slave clause, though saying little about a constitutional protection for slavery. He also apparently told Seward "verbally, the substance of the suggestion [Lincoln] prepared for the consideration of the Republican members," as Seward informed Lincoln in a letter of acknowledgement dated December 26. Seward described Weed's 'verbal' conveyance as a resolution stating "That the constitution should never be altered so as to authorise Congress to abolish or interfere with slavery in the state" – a clear description of the Corwin Amendment, which he presented the same day to the Republican members of the Senate's compromise 'Committee of Thirteen.'

"Could Lincoln have actually been the unidentified co-author of the Corwin Amendment? Much of the current consensus on this question has followed from the work of David M. Potter, who argued in the 1940's that Seward and Weed either misinterpreted Lincoln or intentionally deviated from his instructions. Lee makes a stronger case for Lincoln's role in its genesis, though it is significantly less acknowledged in the historical literature. Supportive evidence may be found elsewhere in Lincoln's papers though. First, Weed and Seward were not the only recipients of Lincoln's instruction. The day after his meeting with Weed – December 21 – Lincoln also notified Illinois Senator Lyman Trumbull to expect "three short resolutions which I drew up, and which, on the substance of which, I think would do much good." Weed also showed Lincoln's memorandum to Sen. Hannibal Hamlin of Maine, the incoming Vice President, on or slightly before December 27. Though Hamlin's description of the conversation in a letter back to Lincoln conveys little about their content save to note the aforementioned memorandum received by Seward, it also post-dates Seward's presentation of the Corwin Amendment's text to the Republican members so he evidently believed both came with the sanction of Lincoln. …

"For his own part, Lincoln made no public statement about the amendment until after its adoption (he described it and stated in his first inaugural address on March 4th that he had "no objection to its being made express and irrevocable"). Yet as Lee thoroughly documents, Lincoln actively lobbied behind the scenes to drum up support for the amendment after he arrived in Washington in late February. A young Henry Adams, who was clerking for his congressman father and Corwin Amendment co-sponsor Charles Francis Adams, affirms this as well, noting that the amendment's adoption by the narrowest of two-thirds majorities came only because of "some careful manipulation, as well as the direct influence of the new President."

Abraham Lincoln and the Corwin Amendment

Anyway, thanks again.

Mr. Kalamata

391 posted on 01/06/2020 5:45:29 PM PST by Kalamata (BIBLE RESEARCH TOOLS: http://bibleresearchtools.com/)
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To: Kalamata; Bull Snipe; BroJoeK; Who is John Galt?; central_va; OIFVeteran; HandyDandy; DoodleDawg

“I believe you are correct. Thanks for the info. . .”

That is the way to take responsibility for an error; straightforward, cheerful, and to the point. It adds even more credibility to everything else you have posted.

In one sense I hope the other side does not begin to embrace truth and accountability. If they do it will make the job of those who advocate consent of the governed two percent more difficult.


410 posted on 01/07/2020 7:42:32 AM PST by jeffersondem
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