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To: DoodleDawg
>>DoodleDawg wrote: "You have quoted the 300 newspaper figure yourself. All I'm asking for are the specifics. I don't even need all 300; 150 will do."

I provided references. If you are too lazy to look them up, that is your problem, not mine. However, I will be kind enough to repeat the first reference, which cites others in the footnote:

"During the Civil War, President Abraham Lincoln tried to preserve the tenets of a constitutional democratic republic as set forth by the founders in the Constitution. This proved to be a daunting challenge. After all, Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus, a power given explicitly to Congress, and his administration arrested more than 14,000 political prisoners and suppressed more than 300 newspapers.[1]" [David W. Bulla, "Abraham Lincoln and Press Suppression Reconsidered." American Journalism, Vol.26, Iss.4; Fall, 2009, p.11]

This is the footnote:

[1] The figure of 14,000 political prisoners comes from Mark E. Neely Jr., The Fate of Liberty: Abraham Lincoln and Civil Liberties (New York: Oxford University Press, 1991), 232. F. C. Ainsworth counted 13,535 for the period Edwin M. Stanton was the secretary of war. Neely could not find how Ainsworth arrived at this number, so he tried to re-do the count. Neely concluded it was impossible to get an exact number. He noted: "It is clear that far more than 13,535 civilians were arrested" (The Fate of Liberty, 130). Neely stopped counting at 14,000. Another historian deduced the total to be approximately 16,000. Another estimate found as many as 38,000 political prisoners in the war. As for newspaper suppression, Shelby Foote cited the 300 figure without providing a clue as to where he obtained the figure. See Foote, The Civil War: A Narrative. Volume Two (New York: Vintage Books, 1986, reprint of 1963 Random House edition), 635. Foote may have obtained that total from David Herbert Donald, who made a similar claim. Donald said most of the cases of suppression involved newspapers that opposed the Lincoln administration's policies or supported peace initiatives. See David Herbert Donald, ed., Why the North Won the Civil War (Baton Rouge, La.: Louisiana State University Press, 1960), 86. But the Foote-Donald total is almost certainly too conservative. Stephen E. Towne found sixty-nine cases of press suppression in Indiana and Dennis F. Saak discovered seventy-four in Missouri. Saak's total does not include a single case in 1865. Chances are that if 132 cases occurred in two of the twenty-five states that stayed in the Union, the total for the war far exceeded 300. However, there is no way to know with any degree of certainty just how many cases occurred. See Towne, "Works of Indiscretion: Violence against the Press in Indiana during the Civil War," Journalism History, 31, 3, October 2005,138-149. See Saak, "Newspaper Suppressions in Missouri during the Civil War," master's thesis, University of Missouri, 1974."

Bulla's journal article can be accessed here:

Abraham Lincoln and Press Suppression Reconsidered

You can borrow the following cited books from the Internet Archive with a free account:

Neely: The Fate of Liberty: Abraham Lincoln and Civil Liberties

Foote: The Civil War: A Narrative. Volume Two

Donald: Why the North Won the Civil War

Download another cited reference from here:

Towne: Works of Indiscretion: Violence against the Press in Indiana during the Civil War
[click on "View/Open" to download]

I don't have a link to Saak's Master's Thesis.

Mr. Kalamata

279 posted on 01/01/2020 8:01:58 AM PST by Kalamata (BIBLE RESEARCH TOOLS: http://bibleresearchtools.com/)
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To: Kalamata
I provided references. If you are too lazy to look them up, that is your problem, not mine.

You provided nothing because you have nothing. Not surprising.

The figure of 14,000 political prisoners comes from Mark E. Neely Jr., The Fate of Liberty: Abraham Lincoln and Civil Liberties

I have Neely's book and he does not identify 14,000 "political prisoners" unless you classify "political prisoner" as anyone who supported the Southern rebellion. It should be noted that "political prisoner" as used by the federal government during the Civil Was is not the same definition used today. People arrested for running the blockade, smuggling goods to the Confederacy, refugees from the Confederacy or people slipping across the border were all classified as "political prisoners" by the administration. Neely details, had either you or Bulla bothered to read the book, that these kind of people make up the large majority of people arrested. Arrests for opposing the government, i.e. political prisoner as we define it today, were by far the minority.

And Neely wrote a companion piece to The Fate of Liberty titled Southern Rights: Political Prisoners and the Myth of Confederate Constitutionalism. His findings make it clear that on a percentage of population basis one was far more likely to be jailed without trial for political reasons in the Jeff Davis Confederacy than in Abe Lincoln's U.S.

Abraham Lincoln and Press Suppression Reconsidered

I'm not paying $44 to access the paper. But assuming you have can you list the 300 papers he's talking about?

282 posted on 01/02/2020 3:35:52 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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