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To: DoodleDawg
>>Kalamata wrote: "The point was and is that no one in those days believed the Emancipation Proclamation was anything other than a war-time political stunt--not even Lincoln's chief thug and hatchet-man, Secretary of State William Seward.
>>DoodleDawg wrote: "As a stunt it was a pretty effective one. Because of the Emancipation Proclamation none of the slaves who made it to the expanding Union lines had to worry about the Fugitive Slave Laws."

As aforementioned, the Emancipation Proclamation was a wartime political stunt.

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>>Kalamata wrote: "One of those listed (the N. Y. World newspaper) that criticized the so-called "emancipation" was accused of treason and shut down the next year..."
>>DoodleDawg wrote: "Your ignorance of the history of the rebellion is truly dazzling. The New York World was closed for two days in 1864 and allowed to reopen. And it wasn't for treason, as you claim, but because the authorities suspected that the World along with the New York Journal of Commerce were part of the gold hoax, a financial fraud orchestrated by Francis Mallison and Joseph Howard. Once it was established that the newspapers were unwitting dupes they were both allowed to reopen."

Your ignorance of history is superseded only by your arrogance. This is some of the message traffic for the event that I mentioned:

New York, May 18, 1864 (Received 11.35 a. m.)
Hon. W. H. Seward,
Secretary of State:

"A proclamation by the President, countersigned by you, and believed to be spurious, has appeared in some of our morning papers calling for 400,000 men, and appointing the 26th instant as a day of fasting, humiliation, and prayer. Please answer immediately for steamer."

John A. Dix
Major- General
. . .

Department of State,
May 18, 1864
To THE Public:

"A paper purporting to be a proclamation of the President, countersigned by the Secretary of State, and bearing date the 17th day of May, is reported to this Department as having appeared in the New York World of this date. The paper is an absolute forgery. No proclamation of that kind or any other has been made or proposed to be made by the President, or issued or proposed to be issued by the State Department or any Department of the Government."

William H. Seward
(Sent to New York press and to Charles Francis Adams, London, and William L. Dayton, Paris.)
. . .

Executive Mansion,
Washington, May 18, 1864
Maj. Gen. John A. Dix, Commanding, New York:

"Whereas, there has been wickedly and traitorously printed and published this morning in the New York World and New York Journal of Commerce, newspapers printed and published in the city of New York, a false and spurious proclamation purporting to be signed by the President and to be countersigned by the Secretary of State, which publication is of a treasonable nature, designed to give aid and , comfort to the enemies of the United States and to the rebels now at war against the Government, and their aiders and abettors, you are, therefore, hereby commanded forthwith to arrest and imprison in any fort or military prison in your command the editors, proprietors, and the publishers of the aforesaid newspapers, and all such persons as, after I public notice has been given of the falsehood of said publication, print and publish the same, with intent to give aid and comfort to the enemy, and you will hold the persons so arrested in close custody until they can be brought to trial before a military commission for I their offense. You will also take possession, by military force, of the printing establishments of the New York World and Journal of Commerce and hold the same until further orders, and prevent any further h publication therefrom."

A. Lincoln
. . .

War Department,
May 18, 1864 – 6.30 p. m.
Major-General Dix,
New York:

"Your telegram of 5.40 is just received. A great national crime has been committed by the publication. The editors, proprietors, and publishers, responsible and irresponsible, are in law guilty of that crime. You were not directed to make any investigation, but to execute the President 's order; the investigation was to be made by a military commission. How you can excuse or justify delay in executing the President 's order until you make an investigation is not for me to determine."

Edwin M. Stanton,
Secretary of War.
. . .

New York, May 18, 1864 (Received 10.40 p. m.)
Hon. E. M. Stanton,
Secretary of War:

"The investigation was made by me as commanding officer of the department before the President 's order was received, as my dispatch showed. There has been none since. I understood the President 's orders as commands to be executed, and there has been no unnecessary delay in the execution. The telegraphic offices were seized as soon as my officers could reach them. The World and Journal of Commerce printing offices are in possession of my men. Two of my officers. Major Halpine and Captain Barstow, are engaged in the arrest of the editors, proprietors, and publishers, and a steamer is waiting at Castle Garden to take them to Fort Lafayette. The only delay has been in making proper arrangements to secure, as nearly as possible, simultaneous and effective action."

J. A. Dix,
Major- General

["War of the Rebellion: a Compilation of the Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies Ser III Vol III." U. S. Government Printing Office, 1900, pp.387-390]

Like I said, the newspapers were shut down, and treason was the charge. The charges were dropped after the instigator of the hoax was arrested:

New York, May 22, 1864
(Received 1.45 p. m.)
Hon. E. M. Stanton,

Secretary of War:

"I read to the editors of The World and Journal of Commerce the order for the restoration of their respective establishments. They desire a copy and also a copy of the President's order directing their establishments to be seized. I did not publish the latter, as the authority given to me to do so was to be executed after the arrest of the editors, &c., and their arrest having been countermanded, I did not consider myself authorized to make the publication."

John A. Dix
Major- General
. . .

War Department, Washington City, May 23, 1864
Major-General Dix,
New York:

"You will deliver up to the telegraph companies their offices and instruments and remove their guards."

Edwin M. Stanton
(Same to General Cadwalader, Philadelphia; General Wallace, Baltimore; Colonel Bomford, Harrisburg; and Captain Foster, Pittsburg.)

[Ibid. pp.400-401]

The Union news organizations were treading on thin ice throughout the war – those that were not shut down.

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>>DoodleDawg wrote: "But while we're on the subject, in the past you have claimed that Lincoln shut down over 300 newspapers. I'll allow you to include these two in that total; can you tell me what the other 298 newspapers were?

I gave you a valid reference for that quote about the newspapers. If you don't believe the author performed adequate research, you can always look them up for yourself:

The War of the Rebellion: a Compilation of the Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies

Mr. Kalamata

213 posted on 12/28/2019 7:19:07 PM PST by Kalamata (BIBLE RESEARCH TOOLS: http://bibleresearchtools.com/)
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To: Kalamata

Remind me to never get into an argument with you about historical facts.


221 posted on 12/29/2019 5:33:34 AM PST by jeffersondem
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To: Kalamata
gave you a valid reference for that quote about the newspapers. If you don't believe the author performed adequate research, you can always look them up for yourself

You have quoted the 300 newspaper figure yourself. All I'm asking for are the specifics. I don't even need all 300; 150 will do.

261 posted on 12/31/2019 10:53:36 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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