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To: BroJoeK; jeffersondem; DiogenesLamp; rockrr; Bull Snipe; HandyDandy
>>Kalamata wrote: "You have again taken Madison' statement completely out of context. If your interpretation was correct, we would not have the Bill of Rights."
>>BroJoeK wrote: "And that's just a flat-out lie, Kalamata demonstrating yet again that he was born with the mind of a Democrat, born to lie he resorts to lies whenever his own weak, weak arguments collapse."

Don't be silly, Joey. Madison's phrase, "in toto," was intended to mean ONLY that the original document (the words of the Constitution itself ) could not be altered. As for changes and "updates," the Constitution provides this method:

"Article. V. – Amendment: The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate." [Law, "Constitution of the United States and Amendments." 1787]

There have been 27 Amendments to the Constitution; but the document itself remains exactly it was adopted in 1787, in toto.

Mr. Kalamata

1,320 posted on 02/01/2020 1:44:15 PM PST by Kalamata (BIBLE RESEARCH TOOLS: http://bibleresearchtools.com/)
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To: Kalamata

Ok, I’m jumping back in here. Madison’s complete quote is;
“The constitution must be adopted in toto and for ever.
He further adds “It has been so adopted by the other states.”

So you recognize the in toto part. What, pray tell, do you think he meant when he said it had to be adopted “forever”?


1,327 posted on 02/01/2020 6:49:27 PM PST by OIFVeteran
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