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To: DiogenesLamp

No, in 1776 the founders used the natural right of revolution to throw off the English government after a long string of abuses and usurpations. Never expecting or believing the English would just let them go.

The foundational premise of the revolution was “ We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

The foundational premise was NOT that any people anytime for any reason can just change their government. If fact they warned against it- “Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes;”

Then they explained when the right of revolution should be used- “But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government,”

And they gave us their example- 11 years of enduring increasing despotic measures, in a system of government they had no voice in, by England all the while sending representatives to the King and Parliament to recognize their right as Englishman.

What they did not do, what they would have laughed at, was a rebellion by a group of people because a party they disagreed with won an election in a constitutional republic with a system of check and balances.


1,266 posted on 01/30/2020 9:39:59 AM PST by OIFVeteran
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To: OIFVeteran
No, in 1776 the founders used the natural right of revolution...

You tried to sell this line before, but the Declaration of Independence says there is a natural right to Independence.

Revolution is a consequence of denying the natural right to Independence. Independence is the sought after goal, and revolution is the means to attain it if opposed. "Independence" is nothing more than freedom of a populace rather than freedom for an individual.

The foundational premise of the revolution was “ We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

This is factually wrong on two points. Firstly, they weren't seeking "Revolution" they were seeking "Independence", but they were going to give a "Revolution" if they did not get the Independence they wanted.

Secondly, to claim that sentence represents the essence of the Declaration is either great ignorance or a willful intent to deceive.

The Thesis sentence of the Declaration of Independence is this one.

"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Of all the sentences in that document, this is the only one that encapsulates it's purpose, which was to tell the King that they were separating from his government.

1,271 posted on 01/30/2020 10:56:38 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty.")
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