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To: DiogenesLamp; rockrr; DoodleDawg; BroJoeK
It restricts it to a minimum size to which a reasonable person can recognize as "one people." The boundaries are fuzzy around the edges, but in the case of the Southern states, we are way past the area of fuzzy boundaries on this general principle.

So it's only size that matters. Bad news for Kosovars, Bosnians, East Timorese, and Andorrans.

As they themselves pointed out, they represented four times the population of the original thirteen colonies.

Turn that around. Dissident parts of states in 1860 had the population of whole colonies in 1776. What about their rights.

And I am not going to discuss the bases in California in comparison to a pile of rocks in the middle of an estuary upon which someone put some cannons.

Well, we are all sorry Lincoln didn't have battleships, aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines, but the contradiction is glaring and impossible to ignore.

You put power before the principles you claim to believe?

Your friends would call that Lincolnesque.

But you did answer the question, even in a way that discredits what you have been writing for years.

I imagined you would be like a robot in a Sixties TV series that starts to spark and smoke when confronted with a logical contradiction.

In this case, it's you who have contradicted everything you have claimed to believe.

1,042 posted on 01/26/2020 12:44:53 PM PST by x
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To: x
So it's only size that matters. Bad news for Kosovars, Bosnians, East Timorese, and Andorrans.

Size isn't the only defining characteristic of "one people." Do you think the Kosovars or the Bosnians etc are "one people" within context of the Declarations' meaning?

Turn that around. Dissident parts of states in 1860 had the population of whole colonies in 1776. What about their rights.

Did dissident parts of the state have their own governments, governing charters and so forth like the original colonies did? Loyalists in the Colonies were still part of the fundamental makeup of the whole colony. They were outvoted.

Well, we are all sorry Lincoln didn't have battleships, aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines, but the contradiction is glaring and impossible to ignore.

Only as a matter of hairsplitting. When it gets to practicality or realpolitik, the two things aren't even remotely similar.

There is a great difference in terms of both investment and of necessity. Nothing about Ft Sumter was valuable to the larger government. It was built to suppress British attempts to seize Charleston, and was never manned and never of any actual importance. It was supposed to have been completed decades earlier, but it is a measure of how inconsequential it was that they didn't get around to it until 1860, and still had no plans to man it until Anderson took it upon himself to flee into it.

1,047 posted on 01/26/2020 3:27:20 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty.")
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