Big study casts doubt on need for many heart procedures

The Vascular Biology Working Group is HQ’d out of the University of Florida which is the collecting and clearinghouse for the many members of the Group from around the world. This is a professional group of ongoing study in vascular disease— that includes heart disease, as well as many other “target organs” for vascular disease to hit (kidneys, liver, the entire affect of diabetes treated or untreated condition and its additive effect of worsening vascular disease, heart attacks and strokes). Aside from normal aging, and wearing out as known.

The focus on Vascular Biology stems from the Nobel Prize for Medicine of the biological discovery that the vascular endothelium (the one or two cell layers thick lining of the major arteries right down to the microvasculature of arterioles in the kidney, the brain, and the vascularization of the main pump (the heart) and all other organs) provides all of these areas with essential oxygen and nutrients for cellular life of these organs: that the endothelium is, in fact the largest organ in the human body, and thus the means by which over this vast surface area life is sustained by the active circulation of blood. Also, the result being that this area is subject to inflammatory (or immune like )cell response to all kinds of potential imbalances (whether from nature- dietary and biochemical impacts internally, or from outside— like toxins of excessive alcohol, drugs prescription or otherwise, etc).

The Framingham Heart Study being the largest US based multigenerational demographic heart disease & risk factor assessment study since 1948 ongoing, is a voluminous background read. Just being female, statistically in this lifetime study, is determined to be a reduction in risk of coronary disease, for an example of an inherited condition that is protective against heart/vascular disease, all by itself. Being male is an increase in risk (regardless of sibling relationship and not separating out any genetically traceable component)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framingham_Heart_Study

Another is a readable book “Inflamation Nation” which is not too much faddish but focused on the inflammatory response (which includes vascular inflammation) that is causal of many diseases.

Sure is a lot more known about prevention without jumping on a bandwagon of “sales” of the newest fad diets (eg “gluten free” which sprang from people with actual digestive diseases like Crohn’s disease, and some food marketers pushing this for everyone- ridiculous, and way out of hand, preying on the obsessive-compulsive health worrying that media pushes as well). Finding out logically and sensibly one’s reasonable risk is a good path to follow from a good physician’s advice.

“questions arise about whether the research is really objective, given that the funding corporation might have a financial interest in a certain outcome.”

The government has it’s interests, too, usually related to power or to push a certain policy.

90% of the global warming research definitely falls into that category.

In the medical field, since the fed spends billions for health care there may be financial interests too.

Given how everything is politicized nowadays, it’s worth being skeptical and not taking things at face value on first sight. Consider the source and possible motivation and do some due diligence.

Freepers as usual l talking so much shit about something they know nothing about

The augist earnestess....lol....damn I’m laughing so hard I might die..

Bad heart and all

Freepers on here who know something about this subject like I do

God love you

The rest of you are just plain ignorant however well intended or pithy

Stents and bypasses can save the life of people dying

Doctors don’t do these procedures as a prophylactic with minor heart disease which btw we all have to some degree

Nor is all angina clogged artery related

I hate to break it to all the Christian Barnards here but you know what makes you die of heart disease more than anything

Your DNA

after than smoking or being a Walmart slob being twice what your body weight ought to be

But if you’re the latter a stent or CABG might save you from death during an MI

this study is nonsense

Cardiologists refrain from procedures when someone has a heart attack only if they are not a candidate for the relief and that happens....me for example

Blockage too severe or in a place a bypass can’t help

No medicine will fix that ...the notion diet will fix it is laughable....plenty of good eaters with heart disease and plenty of slobs without much ischemia

DNA is an unfair lottery trust me

You can be bitter you got bad cardiac dna or you can be grateful like me it’s only my heart and I didn’t get the one inch penis DNA instead

If your heart attack damaged heart is severe you can pop nitro or Renexa but your train is pulling into the station trust me baring procedural relief

A heart attack victim with no recourse for remedy is going to die unless very lucky and collateral arteries grow very quickly

It happens but it’s rare and collaterals which keep you alive aren’t a real fix...they just keep you alive awhile

Stents have vastly reduced CABG procedures and trust me that’s a good thing

Most important thing anyone who has an MI can do is quit smoking if they smoke

Life expectancy if you don’t is 95% die within five years of an MI they survived even with a stent or CABG ...doesn’t matter

Doctors do not do either for folks who are not dying and having what we refer to as a heart attack

Hey doc I’ve got chest tightening during sex how about some stents just for convenience sake and stamina for the hard to please old lady?

Ain’t gonna happen.

What amuses me most here is folks who haven’t had near death heart trouble lecturing how it’s done ..

But that as much a freeper mainstay same as not reading the article is

I ride my recumbent bike for 40-50 minutes 3X per week, still take the occasional walk and use the my water rower when the knees don’t hurt too bad. I do the Total Gym 2X per week and of course take my Beta Blocker and Xarelto as prescribed. I won’t take a statin, much to my docs dismay. They did a cath while I was in the hospital and said they were surprised to find only minimal blockage, 25%, so they didn’t push the statin too hard. I have a little cocktail of supplements that I take daily, and I eat marginally better. Have done keto to lose weight and it works great, but it’s not easy to maintain when you’re the only one in the family on it.

Not looking for 100, though 80+ would be nice if it’s a healthy 80 and then democrats don’t take over again. Not sure I’d want to be around to go through that hell. My mom made it to 93, her sister 96 and my dad’s mom 92. The men not so good. So if I can connect with my feminine side I’ve got a chance.

Good luck on the quest for the century mark.

Thank you for your thoughts. My mother made it to 103 but last few years of her life was bed ridden. I do not wish to live in that state. So long as my legs are good, I am good. Just got back from a cruise and it was lots of walking which I loved.

I see most older people in the Gym doing weights or bicycles. Any exercise is better than no exercise of course. But rapid walking is the best exercise as we get to Medicare age. Because it strengthens your entire skeletal structure, leg muscles, tendons in legs and hips and back muscles, and gives the heart a nice steady workout. When muscles and tendons around the knee and hip get weak, the load goes to bone joints which is then followed by joint pain.

Swimming is great for the heart/circulation but does little for the bones. Bones get stronger only if they are stressed. Just my 2 cents based on how my body has responded.

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