Posted on 10/02/2019 9:33:26 AM PDT by Navy Patriot
A former police officer who argued she had a right to use lethal force when she killed an innocent man after mistakenly entering his apartment has been convicted of murder.
Amber Guyger faces a lengthy prison sentence after a jury found her guilty of the murder of Botham Jean in Dallas on 6 September last year – a verdict Jean family attorneys hailed as a significant moment in the battle to hold police accountable.
Guyger is white. Jean was black. Guyger is the first Dallas police department officer to be convicted of murder since the 1970s, the Dallas Morning News reported.
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And I don't fully agree with *many* of the laws that are in force today and there are more than a few with which I vigorously *disagree*.
If I ever serve on a jury I will use *my* standards to determine the appropriateness of the charges and the credibility and importance of the evidence presented,rather than any "instructions" given by a judge,because my inclination to distrust others goes triple for judges.
If that makes me an evil person...I think I can live with that.
There is no 1st degree / 2nd degree murder charge in Texas. There are only:
Murder
Capital Murder
Manslaughter
Criminally Negligent Homicide
Under Texas law
if you “intentionally or knowingly causes the death of an individual”, it is Murder.
if you “recklessly causes the death of an individual”, it is manslaughter
if you “[cause] the death of an individual by criminal negligence” it is criminally negligent homicide
Capital murder requires aggravating factors (during a burglary or sexual assault, killing a policeman or fireman, etc).
During sentencing, the defendant can try to argue that they were under the “immediate influence of sudden passion arising from an adequate cause” to get it knocked down to a second degree felony.
You know who else is guilty? The morons who hired this little idiot as a police officer.
Me too! I never bought the story she went into the wrong apartment. Makes 0 sense on the face of it!
It seems a fair number of folks are focusing on the door not being properly locked. It doesn’t matter . Breaking and entering doesn’t mean you have to “break” something to get in. It means you are entering someone else’s property without their permission. You can’t just wander your neighborhood trying doors until you find one unlatched and then enter and help yourself to whatever. If you see the owner you can just shout panicked orders and then shoot them. One of the things that bothers me most about the case is that even when she realized she had fxxked up she didn’t make any effort to aid the innocent victim. That’s callous disregard for life.
They pulled her Pussy Pass way too late.
What reasons would they have to sue the City? The City didn't make her go into the wrong apartment and shoot someone.
But I agree with you that "murder" is a bridge too far for the evidence to support. Manslaughter or negligent homicide is more accurate, but some people get upset if you disagree with them about the murder charge being too strong.
That's over the top nasty. Nobody should have died in that apartment. It was a tragic accident, and wishing for her blood will not bring the victim back.
Her life is f***ed, but the man's life is ended, and we should not be flippant about any of this.
As I made clear in an earlier post that possibility occurred to me. I have an ongoing problem with a resident of a unit in my building. But given that she's an absolute whackjob I ignore her and her dirty looks.
If there was it could well be an entirely different ballgame.It could cause me to say "murder,without question" or "Good God,no wonder she acted as she did".
Regardless, it’s murder.
Nope,not as the case was actually presented.
There is this relatively new phenomena going on right now. I've never suffered from it myself, but I see far too much of it in others. It's obsession with their fancy telephones.
They look at those things constantly and to the exclusion of all else around them, especially if they were doing that "texting" bullsh*t.
Well guess what? She was texting all during the time she was walking to what she thought was her apartment. I can believe someone might miss a big red floor mat if they were on their f***ing telephones, because i've seen people do that bad and worse.
We agree on her having been "over charged". Negligent homicide...five,and maybe even ten,years.
I have this theory about police officers. Their thinking becomes jaded. They see people at their worst day in and day out, that has a psychological effect on them. Some of the most normal of circumstances can come across as dangerous to them.
Even a normal “armed” person would have taken at least a couple more seconds to analyze the situation before resorting to pulling the trigger.
She made a tragic mistake. And she’s going to pay for it. And this jury has two white people and 10 minorities. They will not just give her 5 years. I think she deserves about 10 years, but I suspect this jury gives her 20 or more.
There is no negligence in this. Did the gun go off by accident because she dropped it, or was she pointing it carelessly? No. She intended to pull the trigger and she intended to hit the man she was aiming at.
Except for the "breaking" part.
My understanding is that she put her key in the door, and the door simply pushed open, though her key wouldn't turn.
Can't call it "breaking" if no breaking took place.
The woman shot an innocent man, and she needs to go to prison, but the larger system of justice isn't served by making claims of charges that aren't supportable by the evidence.
The killing was accidental, not deliberate, and by "not deliberate" I mean with no criminal intent motivating her.
This was a good verdict. This cop had no business being in that apartment and that is all on her. She pulled the trigger and took his life. That is also all on her, no one else.
I wish this could bring back a good man who was murdered in his own home but it won’t.
She won’t last long in prison, that too, is all on her.
Didn’t the bright red little floor mat catch her eye or given her pause as this is not mine? She was too dumb and flawed for police work. Gender equality pc BS mentality is a contributing factor in this mess.
She pushed on the door and it swung open, so there is no "breaking". Doors swinging open is what one expects when one is trying to enter one's apartment.
Calling it a "crime" is making light of what constitutes a crime.
See Post #33
I disagree … trigger-happy jerks deserve what they get when We the People defend ourselves.
Nobody should have died in that apartment.
She shouldn't have been there in the first place. And our police agencies should not be hiring trigger-happy jerks, nor should they be training people to be trigger-happy jerks.
This murder did not happen in a vacuum.
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