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To: IYAS9YAS

Some of the most popular shooter games back then used pistol shape controllers or you controlled a pointing pistol with a joystick. Both contributed to instant point-and-shoot accuracy. and yes, the military did use those same games for instant point-and-shoot training for a time until they developed their own.I take the Army’s implied word over speculation about keyboards and joysticks.


112 posted on 08/04/2019 8:39:36 AM PDT by arthurus (ghuhh)
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To: arthurus; IYAS9YAS

“Shooting accurately is muscle memory from practice. Video games either use a keyboard and mouse, or joystick/controller. Neither combo will impart the necessary muscle memory for accurate shooting.” [IYAS9YAS, post 70]

“...the most popular shooter games back then used pistol shape controllers or you controlled a pointing pistol with a joystick. Both contributed to instant point-and-shoot accuracy...the military did use those same games for instant point-and-shoot training for a time until they developed their own...take the Army’s implied word over speculation about keyboards and joysticks.” [arthurus, post 112]

Both assertions are very much outdated, in assuming that some universal skill can be developed when it comes to “accurate” shooting.

The ability to obtain hits with hand-held small arms is entirely different from that required to obtain hits with crew-served weapon systems such as tank guns & artillery pieces. Skill with small arms does not even transfer across different hand-held weapons (rifle, pistol, shotgun). The US military establishment trains specialists in all these areas differently.

It gets worse: obtaining good results in action with the same small arm can require different skills & training, for different combat environments. Using the M4 carbine (closest item to an “official issue” long gun among US forces today) in an urban setting requires a very different skill set, compared to a longer-range, more rural environment.

Give up the fantasy that the Mandalay Bay concert-killings incident of 2017 demanded some unusually high level of training, therefore it could only have been perpetrated by an individual who had undergone government training. The range may have been longer than other mass-murder shootings, but the target was huge, soft, densely packed, unable to return fire, immobilized, and incapable of taking cover.

Go look up the US Army Quick Kill program, for additional insight into skill-set differences.


129 posted on 08/04/2019 10:11:04 AM PDT by schurmann
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