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To: Heartlander
I dislike Sartre as much as the next guy, but this is a sloppy argument because it ignores the context of the comment:

Sartre wrote that if God does not exist, then "Man exists, turns up, appears on the scene, and, only afterwards, defines himself. … At first he is nothing. Only afterward does he become something, and he himself will have made what he will be. Thus, there is no human nature, since there is no God to conceive it. … Man is nothing but what he makes himself.

Sartre did say all that, but he was a philosopher, not a biologist. So in context, he was clearly talking about morality, spirituality, etc.. He wasn't talking about physical realities.

Otherwise, you're accusing him of believing that a puppy raised by a pig is in fact a pig just because it thinks it is. There's zero evidence of that, and I don't believe there's any evidence that Sartre viewed biological realities as simply a matter of choice/volition, in the same sense as mental/spiritual realities.

3 posted on 07/12/2019 9:34:12 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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I am Corrupt.


4 posted on 07/12/2019 9:44:24 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (Despised by the Despicable!)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Re: “Sartre did say all that, but he was a philosopher, not a biologist. So in context, he was clearly talking about morality, spirituality, etc.. He wasn’t talking about physical realities.”

I’m sure you’re probably right that Sartre was not including human biology in these quotes. However, I think his premise that “if there is no God, there is no human nature, etc.” - my question would be why not apply it to human biology?

If there is no human nature, if there is no purpose, if there is no intentionality, and man “defines” what he will be - why not define one’s own sexuality?

Just a thought.


8 posted on 07/12/2019 10:35:02 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Postmodernism is more responsible for today’s insanities than existentialism, though the two are related.


10 posted on 07/12/2019 11:04:30 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

FWIW if there is no God, then philosophy is biology. Man is nothing but a rock that thinks it has meaning. Thinking is merely biological and biology is nothing more than random molecules in motion.


11 posted on 07/12/2019 12:02:42 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping List)
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