Millennial dads are not lazy. They are indoctrinated

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[Larry Lucido]

I learned to change the oil in the 70s, and haven’t changed my own oil since, well, the 70s.

I dropped a set of points in my 1972 Maverick, and then saw an after-market electronic ignition set which I installed in it. Since then, never needed to install points in any car.

[cyclotic]

I was hoping someone would post a Yankee.

When my dad died a few years ago, we were going through his stuff and I found my long missing Yankee screwdriver.

[cyclotic]

A friends house had a major fire. It took a few months for the insurance to settle. We helped with clean up. I found a DeWalt drill in a bucket of water. He told me to pitch it but just for kicks I took it home. It works.

[Fiddlstix]

A very handy tool to have. I still have mine bought back around '61-'62-'63 there about. Still working great too

[DoodleBob]

Hit piece? Go cry in your safe space.

My good FRiend, I may be a peer or slightly older than you. But that's ok. I think I get your mindset.

The most entitled, lazy spoiled brats, arrogant know-nothings, living in mommy’s basement playing Fortnight eating Cheetos wants to lecture the rest of us how to live. Priceless.

It is a little hard to disentangle your multiple points of criticism, and if you are saying I want to lecture you or Millenials in general. Regardless, let's try this little by little.

As I've said repeatedly, there are plenty of stupid Millenials. I've seen them in town and on campuses. So I don't argue that they are all or even majority perfect. Far from it.

Now, a general rule of thumb, many of the reporters that interview Millenials live in NYC or LA or D.C. Therefore it stands to reason that most of the dumbasses that make it to TV or print are of the liberal, city-dwelling types. So yes, they are Millenials, but I'd argue their dumbassery emanates from their liberalism vs age-category. Why? Because most of the Millenials I've observed (chiefly via touring) outside of the left coasts aren't as dopey.

As for lazy...let's use some actual data instead of vituperation. If you check out the St Louis FRB's FRED database on the 20-34 yr old unemployment rate rate from 1948-today you will CLEARLY see that those allegedly entitled, lazy spoiled brats, arrogant know-nothings, living in mommy’s basement playing Fortnight eating Cheetos wanting to lecture the rest of us on how to live, have an unemployment rate (UMP) today of 3.5% that hasn't been this low since 1970.

Furthermore, while that UMP was lower for the 25-34yr-old corhorts from 1965-1970, those 'kids' back then were born between before the Boomers, which would mean Millenials are of a comparable propensity to be employed with the pre-Boomer generation. It is also worth noting that the 24-35 yr old UMP has been highly correlated with the overall UMP since 1980. This means Boomers, GenX, GenY, and Millenials aged 24-35 have all been equally employed relative to the rest of the age categories...none of those generation has been more or less relatively employed.

I appreciate your sentiment, and I get from where you're coming. Thank you.

[DoodleBob]

Compare 1972 and 2016

How under 30 voted

Tks

I have an excellent long term memory son

I don't doubt the excellence of your LT memory, wardaddy, but data help with accuracy.

If you have data on the 1972 Presidential election, I'd love to see it. In the meantime, let's look at the 1976 Presidential Election. Carter got 50% of the popular vote vs 48% for Ford. Per the data, Carter got 49% of the 18-21 year olds and 56% of the 22-29 year olds. If you do the math, this pool of Boomers went 54% for Carter.

Fast-forward to the 2016 Presidential Election. Hillary got 48% of the popular vote to Trump's 46%. Hillary got 55% of the vote of those aged 18-29. Since this is based on exit polling, if you examine the statistical significance of a 100 basis point difference in these quotients, you'll find there is no difference between the percentage of young Boomers that went for Carter and young Millenials that went for Hillary.

Thank you.

[DoodleBob]

That is not the point...The point is kids are more leftist today than ever despite your ire at boomers

I truly enjoy discussing these trends with you.

First, I'd recommend your sentence to be split into its two separate components.

1) If by "ire" you mean I have disdain for Boomers' (and my GenX bretheren, FWIW) lack of recall regarding their own youthful ignorance as they pile on about Millenial stupidity, yes...though indignation may be a more applicable word upon reflection.
2) Your thesis about the relative leftism of Millenials vs youthful Boomers is worthy of investigation.

I have done some cursory research - there are lots of datasets on Millenial views on the subject, but nothing of substance I can find on Boomers' views circa 1965-1978. Now, there were certainly plenty of campus revolts etc in the 1960s, but notwithstanding my previous commentary I know not every Boomer wanted to drop acid and stick to to the man (my Boomer uncle actually punched out a hippie staging a sit-in).

Alternatively, regarding Millenials, of course many of them have disturbingly positive views on society and socialism etc. But, as I've written elsewhere, disentangling the extent to which, as you correctly note -

Plus liberalism is more leftist now Many factors contributing to this are not kids faults Culture simply brainwashes all but the strong

from that inherent in the culture of Millenials is, I believe, where the debate turns.

Millenials are more diverse than other generations in terms of race and ancestry. When I was a kid, there were not many other kids that weren't first/second/third generation WASPs. Nowadays, classrooms look like the UN...I'm not saying that is inherently bad (classrooms in the 1930s undoubtedly were mixed, i.e. Italians and Irish and German etc.) but it DOES contribute to the exposure Millenials have to outside ideas. Where this diversity can go sideways is a function of the extent to which the schoolmates integrate into American culture vs try to change culture.

If this cultural change occurs swiftly in the Millenial ranks, as you hint, then surely parents - especially Deplorable ones - have to be somewhat responsible. I know it's hard raising kids nowadays - I have my own DoodleBob jrs - but hard isn't impossible.

In closing, I admit mine is a biased sample but the Millenials with whom I have contact are NOT Pod-eaters. I also see Millenials who are Normal being peeved at how the pod-eaters get all the attention. Their backlash materializes in high employment and, hopefully, Trumpian voting patterns. It is THESE men and women of whom I write when these bash pieces are published: yes, I find these pieces irksome, but I also believe those on the bubble are at risk of falling off the fence onto the MSNBC side OR they will simply check out and not vote for Trump. We won by 76k votes last time...we need all the help we can get.

[wardaddy]

See 68 one of your own saying same thing I do

I am father to two millennials...women....28 and 30

I’m dad also to three boys ages 12 15 and 19

I’m not sure.....generation Z maybe

My girls are right wing especially the 28 year old.....the 30 year old is too she’s just weak on fag agenda sadly

28 year old is married to a like minded half Yankee from Schenectady who spent summer here near Knoxville

30 year old is engaged and cohabitats with a local Murfreesboro boy from an old line family who’s ancestors are buried in the antebellum cemetery like my parents are....Evergreen

My two older boys are as well....the younger boy is too young but it’s be a surprise if he turns out different

They are southern which helps but it’s more due to my influence

Kids in my era 13 in 1970

We took drugs and were wild but we remained faithful to God guns country history and tradition and even if we dallied with libertarian liberalism we never entertained faggotry or abortion or no God or gun confiscation or environmentalism beyond no littering and wet scrubbers on smokestacks and sewerage treatment as laudable

My oldest boy is on POL on 4chan which is green frog alt right territory

He thinks I’m too pragmatic

He despises most of his peers and our culture...and seeks out women who share his embrace of old America

And we live near one of America’s largest hipster concentrations in what is now too cool Mecca Nashville

It’s just how it is.....maybe the pendulum will swing back.

I did not look up your sign date but you are eerily like texaggie79

[wardaddy]

Some millennials on this thread obviously not you are indeed having a difficult time accepting facts...good point

I detested trophies for all culture which in my region started with Gen X when I recall my 13 years younger brother getting trophies for being there

And it’s only gotten worse

High school football at least here is still competitive and based on talent

They still had paddling in my day and it was brutal especially from coaches

Every generation usually has flaws

My grandparents age ...pre WWII gave us the Warren court and FDR......

None are perfect to be honest

But no question when boomers who are dying off are seen as the last fairly dependable right wingers you know things are troubling

I should point out we’re obviously talking about white voters

Minority voters maybe except older Cubans and Viets vote similar leftist regardless age

[central_va]

The cost of oil changes by a third party really cheaper than doing it youself.

Not if you want synthetic oil and a good filter.

[DoodleBob]

I am not doubting what you see, my good FRiend. Indeed, as I wrote elsewhere, they aren't all Deplorable...one of the little DoodleBobs was astounded at the FB freak out his friends unleashed after the 2016 election (I explained the concept of a "2 minute hate" and "groupthink" and they got it - their friends are emotionally crippled). And yes data can be rigged but I would submit that rigging unemployment data for an explicit age cohort for 60 years so that I can make a point is low on the Deep State's totem pole.

But what I *am* saying is that notwithstanding the snowflakes on late nite TV who can't do banking with a live teller, the West isn't lost when the Millenials grow up, that there are PLENTY of good ones, and it would behoove us to not fall prey to MSM (or seemingly educated conservatives) stories laying a Millenials-are-so-stupid-see-they-can't-add-we-need-another-government-program bear trap and maybe get the smart ones on the Trump express. Trump won by 76k votes and we need every person pulling the MAGA lever.

[Grampa Dave]

I haven’t done that with any DeWalt gear.

They have had other experiences that remind me of the old Timex commercials.

My wife bought me a new porch/deck glider for Father’s day 2 years ago this month.

Our yard man and his teenage son set it up in our back yard, and we eventually moved it when assembled to our back deck.

Jose had his drill and his son, who is a good mechanic asked if I had an extra drill. I brought out the DeWalt driver set and two charge batteries and handed it to him.

He really did a good job with the zillion bolts/nuts of different sizes. Jose and I did the final moves and assembly on the deck.

A two hour + job was done in less than 30 minutes. 2 years later this Father’s day, everything is in great shape. About once a quarter my DeWalt Driver and I spend a few minutes tightening the bolts and nuts on the glider and my Charcoal/butane grill combo with the DeWalt and an adjustable Crescent wrench.

Jose bought his son a DeWalt Driver kit, and the kid uses it all the time and setting up his own tool kit.

[Data Miner]

But do we really want to see our sons turn into the upper class twits mocked mercilessly in previous generations? There is a reason Wodehouse named Bertie Wooster’s hangout “The Drones Club” in his Jeeves stories. Seems to dovetail perfectly with this article.

[DoodleBob]

As a follow up to our separate but parallel discussions, an interesting study on political attitudes by "tribe" (a word I know that is often misapplied and, when so, annoys the daylights out of wardaddy) was recently published. I am not terribly happy with the methodology, and the fact that conservatives are undersampled (probably because we have better things to do than tell pollsters our personal views) biases the outcomes.

However, the results largely mirror a similar but older study by Pew. In addition, in this new study there were lots of "Progressive Activists" and other liberal "tribe" members who responded. Their demography may surprise some people:

-they are younger than the overall sample (+7%)
-Progressive Activists are OVERWHELMINGLY WHITE (+11%) and have the lowest % of blacks vs all other "tribes"
-they are more likely to be city-dwellers than the general population
-are way more likely to have multiple degrees vs other citizens
-2/3 of Progs are atheist, agnostic, or nothing vs 1/3 for all people

This would seemingly support my assertion that the dumb young people on late nite are drawn from the city-dwelling pool which skews lib. This is why I argue that the young pod-eaters are more likely stupid because of their statist beliefs and environment vs their youth.

The good news is a large chunk of the 18-29 year olds are Passive Liberals, disengaged or on our side. Thus, they haven't all been totally brainwashed and I suspect (hope?) they will eventually migrate to normalcy as they age. In the interim, I will continue my personal efforts to ensure this new group of citizens don't migrate to the Dark Side. Thank you tolerating me.

[kearnyirish2]

Exactly; it is very helpful - and frees you (to an extent) from very expensive contractors.

[READINABLUESTATE]

It’s video games. Kids don’t go outside to play much anymore.

I could fix a flat bicycle tire or gap a lawn mower spark plug at age 8.