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To: DoodleDawg
They gave up everything that makes a sovereign nation a sovereign nation.

And were not afraid to do so precisely because the Declaration of Independence guaranteed them the right to get those powers back.

You forget. 11 years after the Declaration of Independence. Nobody forgot they had the right to leave.

One cannot be responsible for the misconceptions of New York or the other states that they state in their ratification documents.

The fact that no one challenged their quite public assertion that they had the right to reassume those powers makes the theory that they could not leave, the misconception.

Do you have perhaps some contemporary document (~1787) arguing to the contrary of what New York, Virginia and Delaware asserted was their right? I've got three aces. What are you holding to answer them?

112 posted on 04/29/2019 4:12:53 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
And were not afraid to do so precisely because the Declaration of Independence guaranteed them the right to get those powers back.

So you would have us believe. But if they give them all up then how can you call them "effectively a nation by our modern usage of the term"? Nothing could be further from the truth. Nations have all the powers that the Constitution stripped from the individual states.

The fact that no one challenged their quite public assertion that they had the right to reassume those powers makes the theory that they could not leave, the misconception.

Nobody challenges some of your crazier quite public assertions either. Doesn't make them right.

Do you have perhaps some contemporary document (~1787) arguing to the contrary of what New York, Virginia and Delaware asserted was their right? I've got three aces. What are you holding to answer them?

You've got nothing but a busted flush. Regardless of whatever else states like New York included in their ratification documents, they also included the words, "We, the said delegates, in the name and in the behalf of the people of the state of New York, do, by these presents, assent to and ratify the said Constitution." If the powers that they assumed they had were not powers granted them in the Constitution then they didn't have it. And if they tried to assume powers through means not allowed by the Constitution then they were in rebellion.

116 posted on 04/29/2019 4:25:20 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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