Excellent, thank you. Pinging a few other who were discussing this or might be interested.
Copying post copied by WildHighlander from Liz, so as to avoid confusion:
Thread it came from has a good post by Liz, about a section of the US code dealing with punishment for treason/overthrow of govt:
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3739778/posts?page=45#45
To: semantic
“”The position Trump needs to take: The coup attempt was a coordinated conspiracy by enemies of the constitution,
orchestrated by Obama ordering govt officials to unlawfully overthrow the government of the USA.”
18 U.S. Code § 8239;2385. Advocating overthrow of Government
U.S. Code-—Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State,Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or
Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof-—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 8239;2, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 87–486, June 19, 1962, 76 Stat. 103; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 8239;330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.) “
45 posted on 4/4/2019, 5:54:33 PM by Liz
““”The position Trump needs to take: The coup attempt was a coordinated conspiracy by enemies of the constitution,
orchestrated by Obama ordering govt officials to unlawfully overthrow the government of the USA.””
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Can’t be any clearer.....
Has Section 8239 ever been enforced, and/or its constitutionality litigated? Maybe in the 50s against communists, but I am not familiar with any case law on the subject. I think today’s courts would have trouble defining the line between free speech and advocating overthrow of the government. I don’t trust Roberts on such an issue, and even conservatives might falter on that issue.
I would like us to be able to enforce such restrictions, and begin to counter the growing anti-American mindset that is growing in this country. We can’t have a country that a big chunk of us hate.