Posted on 02/21/2019 8:06:57 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Meanwhile, foreign applicants are getting hired for software jobs (instead of our domestic unemployed degreed software-computer-IT engineers), and supposedly this is justified by the alleged lack of domestic candidates.
Yes, we do. Try posting a job and see who applies. We’re talking 6 figure entry level jobs here in the DFW metroplex.
Oh BS. You can get Americans. We end the H-1B visa tomorrow will go a long way in repairing the damage.
I remember when I was told about COBOL school by a guy in 1982 I said to him (and these are my exact words), “I thought I missed the computer revolution.”
It’s been my career ever since, bringing me a six figure income with no college, started by a ten month, four night a week, $2,300 class.
This is one reason I’m not a big fan of going to college.
There are Americans who can code. But not every American who can code is willing to move where some of this jobs are. And it’s not just about money.
Corporations whine about having to pay a experienced coder $100k a year but think nothing of having layers of coffee drinking managers who do nothing but plan the next transfreak marketing campaign.
Let the bloody market determine pay rates. If they get high then more applicants will enter the field and the price will level. If they drop (because we import cheap and generally incompetent H-1B labor) then Americans will eschew the very arduous grind needed to become a professional software engineer and we will lose out on one of the few good paying job sectors left since we exported all of our manufacturing.
Six figures for entry level in DFW? That would be an aberration. Typically anything over $80k a year requires several years of experience.
And then when (shock!) no one applies they go to Uncle Stupid and ask for an H-1B visa.
Absa effin lutely.
I've spent a large portion of my career in user experience design, and one thing we definitely lack is tech guys who can jibe with the American way of doing front end design, which often involves a lot of creative problem solving on the fly and trial and error. A front end coder who can fly by the seat of his or her pants is the unicorn.
Back just before Y2K I was able to get into the IT department because at that time they were looking for anyone willing to learn programming. I’ve been programming in RPG ever since. There is no shortage of American programmers.
A Republican telling me it isn’t all about money! LOL! What a phony you are.
Im pretty sure our side was being just as sarcastic as their side was when they said it.
Yes, that describes parts of the larger cities in Michigan, but I'm guessing that you have never seen the rest of the state. (retired IT pro in West Michigan)
Your COBOL remark.
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Same here, but AS400/RPG. School was 9 months long, couple thousand. Got a job before I graduated. We learned Fortran, Cobol (3 month class), RPG (two week class), DOS, etc...
The owner of the first company I worked for told us all in a meeting that if you stick with this, you will all be retiring coding RPG. He said there is soo many lines of code out in the world today (1989) someone will need to be around to maintain it.
I now work from home, in FL(tax free state), 7 figures (MD salary), still coding and maintaining RPGLE. Yesterday the company was closed because of snow. I’m in FL so I had a snow day. Life is good.
Hilarious!
I had to get out of COBOL because I was in the Seattle area and eventually it was over-run with companies going to servers and $17 an hour Indians.
I became a BA. The 21 years as a COBOL programmer has served me well in this role, however.
Much more likely that large companies who can afford and manaage it will simply expand their existing software development operations in low-cost countries. India, China, Czech Republic...
Make crap cheap in Mexico and China, get the code written for it in Bangalore or Brno.
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