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Why Antarctica's sea ice cover is so low (and no, it's not just about climate change)
Phys.org ^ | January 17, 2019 | Julie Arblaster, Gerald A Meehl, Guomin Wang, The Conversation

Posted on 01/17/2019 12:42:29 PM PST by ETL

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1 posted on 01/17/2019 12:42:29 PM PST by ETL
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To: ETL

91 volcanoes? Hey progs believe The Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/12/scientists-discover-91-volcanos-antarctica


2 posted on 01/17/2019 12:48:52 PM PST by Zuse (I am disrupted! I am offended! I am insulted! I am outraged!)
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To: ETL

No conclusions. Only more questions.


3 posted on 01/17/2019 12:52:04 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists call 'em what you will they all have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: ETL

Crab People.


4 posted on 01/17/2019 12:52:27 PM PST by rfp1234 (I don't watch CNN for the same reason I don't drink from the toilet.)
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To: ETL

Uh, it’s summer down under currently?


5 posted on 01/17/2019 12:53:35 PM PST by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: ETL

As Arnold always says... “I’ll be back” and so will the ice... The funny part... All this concern about Ice, but planet earth has actually existed for most of it’s life without ice. Completely ice free in fact.

From the internets... “There have been at least five major ice ages in the Earth’s history (the Huronian, Cryogenian, Andean-Saharan, Karoo Ice Age, and the current Quaternary Ice Age). Outside these ages, the Earth seems to have been ice free even in high latitudes.”

My take on that quote... Let’s get rid of the ice.


6 posted on 01/17/2019 1:03:38 PM PST by jerod (Nazi's were essentiallyIn Socialist in Hugo Boss uniforms... Get over it!)
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To: ETL

Maybe global warming is real but is caused by all the hot air being generated by politicians in DC and by all the rabid climate change environmentalist.


7 posted on 01/17/2019 1:11:48 PM PST by antidemoncrat
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To: ETL

Polar bears are eating too many snow cones.


8 posted on 01/17/2019 1:14:38 PM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.S)
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To: bgill
Polar bears are eating too many snow cones.


9 posted on 01/17/2019 1:18:11 PM PST by BlueLancer (Orchides Forum Trahite - Cordes Et Mentes Veniant)
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To: ETL

Two miles under the ice are tree stumps.

Same with Greenland (less ice).

The record low amount of ice in Antarctica is: ZERO.


10 posted on 01/17/2019 1:21:53 PM PST by BBB333 (The Power Of Trump Compels You!)
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To: ETL

There is no such thing as ‘static climate’. It is always changing. I suspect the recent change is due to the movement of the magnetic north pole.


11 posted on 01/17/2019 1:25:40 PM PST by aimhigh (1 John 3:23 "And THIS is His commandment . . . ")
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To: Zuse

You gave the truth to the mystery that the Left does not want us to know. I was just going there and you beat me to it. Ice melting from 91 volcanoes will not be fixed with any energy policy.


12 posted on 01/17/2019 1:34:16 PM PST by jonrick46 (Cultural Marxism is the cult of the Left waiting for the Mothership.)
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To: ETL; All

Do a search of the coming SOLAR MINIMUM...unlike global warming....this is REAL!!!

You’ll notice that the media is ignoring this....another sign of its reality.


13 posted on 01/17/2019 1:59:09 PM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: ETL; SunkenCiv; Kaslin; Ernest_at_the_Beach

Hmmmn.

And, from 1992 through the middle of 2015, the Antarctic sea ice was steadily growing, all during the same period global CO2 levels increased by more than 1/3. Odd that.

In fact, in June 2014, the Antarctic seaa ice anomaly - the daily difference of that day’s sea ice area from its 30 year average, was 2.16 million sq kilometers - an area greater than the entire area of Greenland!

Shortly thereafter, those same researchers from the University of Illinois Cryosphere Center who had been tracking the Antarctic Sea ice were retired out, and replaced by new people. The Antarctic sea ice area reports stopped from Cryosphere stopped after those retirements, and the new values from the “more reliable” federal center at NSIDC Boulder CO dropped 1.5 million sq kilometers. In 2 months.

Funny that.


14 posted on 01/17/2019 2:00:49 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (The democrats' national goal: One world social-communism under one world religion: Atheistic Islam.)
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To: Halgr
Do a search of the coming SOLAR MINIMUM...unlike global warming....this is REAL!!!

I've posted tons of stuff on the Sun-climate connection, as it relates to solar activity and galactic cosmic rays.

NASA actually has a piece on it on its SOHO page. But it's deeply buried and very difficult to find. It's in their "Not So Frequently Asked Questions" section. No joke.

15 posted on 01/17/2019 2:07:31 PM PST by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: Halgr
Found it...

From NASA's Solar and Heliospheric Observatory's "Not So Frequently Asked Questions" section:

Q-Does the number of sunspots have any effect on the climate here on Earth?

A-Sunspots are slightly cooler areas on the surface of the Sun, due to the intense magnetic fields, so they radiate a little less energy than the surroundings. However, there are usually nearby areas associated with the sunspots that are a little hotter (called falculae), and they more than compensate. The result is that there is a little bit more radiation coming from the Sun when it has more sunspots, but the effect is so small that it has very little impact on the weather and climate on Earth.

However, there are more important indirect effects: sunspots are associated with what we call "active regions", with large magnetic structures containing very hot material (being held in place by the magnetism). This causes more ultraviolet (or UV) radiation (the rays that give you a suntan or sunburn), and extreme ultraviolet radiation (EUV). These types of radiation have an impact on the chemistry of the upper atmosphere (e.g. producing ozone). Since some of these products act as greenhouse gases, the number of sunspots (through association with active regions) may influence the climate in this way.

Many active regions produce giant outflows of material that are called Coronal Mass Ejections. These ejections drag with them some of the more intense magnetic fields that are found in the active regions. The magnetic fields act as a shield for high-energy particles coming from various sources in our galaxy (outside the solar system). These "cosmic rays" (CRs) cause ionization of molecules in the atmosphere, and thereby can cause clouds to form (because the ionized molecules or dust particle can act as "seeds" for drop formation).

If clouds are formed very high in the atmosphere, the net result is a heating of the Earth - it acts as a "blanket" that keeps warmth in.

If clouds are formed lower down in the atmosphere, they reflect sunlight better than they keep heat inside, so the net result is cooling. Which processes are dominant is still a matter of research.

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/classroom/notsofaq.html#SUNSPOT_CLIMATE

16 posted on 01/17/2019 2:12:44 PM PST by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: ETL

Uhm... It’s summer in Antarctica... Or, did they miss the memo?


17 posted on 01/17/2019 2:20:27 PM PST by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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Need to know what “the recovery of the Antarctica ozone hole” means in English.

Is “recovery” meaning the “closing” of the hole or the expansion of it?

Otherwise, an interesting article and the presence of so many undersea/continent volcanoes means that they have to have some type of influence on the underlying rock formations of the continent, possibly inducing warming under the bottom layers of continental ice.

Meanwhile, all my birds packed their travel bags today and headed for Puerto Rico, figuring that if it was good enough for the Democ-Rats, it was good enough for them. Only they are paying their own way.


18 posted on 01/17/2019 3:12:38 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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Need to know what “the recovery of the Antarctica ozone hole” means in English. Is “recovery” meaning the “closing” of the hole or the expansion of it?

Lol! They probably mean the 'closing' of the hole.

19 posted on 01/17/2019 3:16:10 PM PST by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
What is the Ozone Hole?

The ozone hole is not technically a “hole” where no ozone is present, but is actually a region of exceptionally depleted ozone in the stratosphere over the Antarctic that happens at the beginning of Southern Hemisphere spring (August–October).

Satellite instruments provide us with daily images of ozone over the Antarctic region. The ozone hole image below shows the very low values (blue and purple colored area) centered over Antarctica on 4 October 2004. From the historical record we know that total column ozone values of less than 220 Dobson Units were not observed prior to 1979.

From an aircraft field mission over Antarctica we also know that a total column ozone level of less than 220 Dobson Units is a result of catalyzed ozone loss from chlorine and bromine compounds.

For these reasons, we use 220 Dobson Units as the boundary of the region representing ozone loss. Using the daily snapshots of total column ozone, we can calculate the area on the Earth that is enclosed by a line with values of 220 Dobson Units (the white line in the figure below).

https://ozonewatch.gsfc.nasa.gov/facts/hole_SH.html

20 posted on 01/17/2019 3:18:47 PM PST by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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