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To: Jonty30

All fiscal bills, legislature begins in committees in the house, moved to the floor, approved, and sent to the Senate for more editing, adding, and changing, The final bill is sent to the President for signature for law That is what I was taught in the 7th grade.


2 posted on 11/06/2018 7:46:33 PM PST by rovenstinez
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To: rovenstinez

Gridlock. With the senate having a larger Republican majority it will get nowhere. The President will be in his element. Will be fun to watch.


102 posted on 11/06/2018 8:37:37 PM PST by Destroyer Sailor (Revenge is a dish best served cold.)
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To: rovenstinez

They all become mueller
It will benefit trump greatly
Now he’ll have the media and demoncats after him on everything
The public will see it for what it is


115 posted on 11/06/2018 9:15:29 PM PST by Truthoverpower (The guvmint you get is the Trump winning express !)
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To: rovenstinez; All
"All fiscal bills, legislature begins in committees in the house, moved to the floor, approved, and sent to the Senate for more editing, adding, and changing, The final bill is sent to the President for signature for law That is what I was taught in the 7th grade."

Thanks for posting rovenstinez.

From related threads …

Note that the Founding States had established the federal Senate partly to kill House appropriations bills that not only steal state powers, but also state revenues uniquely associated with those powers.

In fact, a previous generation of state sovereignty-respecting justices had clarified that Congress is prohibited from appropriating taxes that it cannot justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers, Democrats and RINOs increasingly ignoring their limited power to appropriate taxes since the FDR Administration.

"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States."—Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.


Also note that the congressional record shows that constitutional lawmaker Rep. John Bingham had clarified that the founders had left the care of the people to the states, not the feds.

”... the care of the property, the liberty, and the life of the citizen, under the solemn sanction of an oath imposed by your Federal Constitution, is in the States, and not in the Federal Government [emphases added].” —Rep. John Bingham, Congressional Globe, 1866. (See about middle of 3rd column.)


In fact, military issues aside, note that one of the very few powers that the states have actually expressly constitutional delegated to the feds for domestic purpose taxing and spending is to run the US Mail Service (1.8.7).

In other words, if a federal domestic spending program is not reasonably related to the mail service, unconstitutional federal funding for abortion to buy votes from women for example, then patriots can bet that the program is unconstitutional and probably be right most of the time.

So it’s good that Republicans still control the Senate. This is because, until the states wise up and repeal the ill-conceived 17th Amendment, patriots still have the voting power to tell their federal senators to kill unconstitutional House appropriations bills as the Founding States had intended for the Senate to do.

The 16th Amendment can disappear too.

121 posted on 11/06/2018 9:41:06 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: rovenstinez

Except apparently tax bills called Obamacare can initiate in the Senate and pass Supreme Court scrutiny.

https://www.briansussman.com/politics/how-obamacare-became-law/

Obamacare was signed into law in March 2010. If you recall, Nancy Pelosi’s Democratic majority in the House of Representatives was unable to pass their version of a healthcare law. Because all revenue bills have to originate in the House, the Senate found a bill that met those qualifications: HR3590, a military housing bill. They essentially stripped the bill of its original language and turned it into the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), aka Obamacare.


126 posted on 11/07/2018 2:04:10 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Denounce DUAC - The Democrats Un-American Activists Committee)
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