George Webb talks about the Ohrs again and, importantly, LODESTAR involving Lugar,Sam Nunn, Pence and McCain. (for better or worse,he believes Pence is a mole in the White House.) This is easy to follow, a good chat, IMO. Take a listen.
Day 71.2 Live From the Capitol - Declassify, Declassify, Declassify
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAzGZnsIyHE
Just found this link
Arizona State University
ASU Lodestar Center for Philanthropy and Nonprofit Innovation
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