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To: dangus

“Seriously? My point wasn’t that he was wearing the shroud when he met Thomas! The point was only that the wounds persisted after the resurrection. He resurrected, he bled, he put aside his clothes, he appeared to his disciples.”


Yes, seriously.

We are talking about the validity (or lack thereof) of the claim that the Shroud of Turin was Jesus’ burial shroud. The blood stains are supposed to support that contention - and all that I was pointing out was that if he was bleeding AFTER being resurrected, then that either would NOT have stained the shroud with blood or, if he was still wearing it, it would have messed up the bloodstains with new blood. That is ALL that I was saying - i.e. I’m trying to show via logic that (IMHO) the shroud could not be what many claim that it is.

WRT biases - yes, of course I have them. So do you, so does every single person on Earth. I laid mine out in front (unlike many others - and I do NOT mean you). BTW, my intent in doing so was to call out those who SEEM (in my view) to be relying on a material item to prove to them that their faith is valid. I think that this is an error - faith is, by its nature, not subject to scientific verification. FYI, I am assuming NOTHING about you.


49 posted on 07/19/2018 12:09:15 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: Ancesthntr

I can’t believe I have to spell this out further.

>> We are talking about the validity (or lack thereof) of the claim that the Shroud of Turin was Jesus’ burial shroud. The blood stains are supposed to support that contention - and all that I was pointing out was that if he was bleeding AFTER being resurrected, then that either would NOT have stained the shroud with blood...<<

HE WAS IN THE SHROUD, WHEN HE WAS RESURRECTED AND BEGAN TO BLEED AGAIN. Unbelievably, you seem unable to shake the presumption that he had already undressed before he began to bleed.

>> or, if he was still wearing it, it would have messed up the bloodstains with new blood. <<

The previous contention was that there would not have been bloodstains if he was dead while wearing the shroud. Ergo, no blood stains “to mess up.”

Also, when you recognize your presumptions come from bias, the rational solution is not to shout your biases from the rooftops, but to recognize that people may not share your viewpoint, but try to use that realization to counter your natural biases and account for those biases as best you can. That likely means shutting up when your biases impugn the motivations of others.


50 posted on 07/19/2018 12:45:39 PM PDT by dangus
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