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Reparations: Who Should Pay? To Whom Should It Be Paid?
American Thinker ^ | 06/15/2018 | Tom Trinko

Posted on 06/15/2018 8:53:53 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

In their never-ending effort to Balkanize America and buy black votes by stealing from all taxpayers, including black ones, the Democrats are reviving their call for reparations for slavery. After all, with blacks waking up to the fact that Democrats are doing nothing for them, a new bribe appears to be necessary.

Given that there are no living Americans who were slaves or who owned slaves, it's clear that the idea of reparations has nothing to do with justice or concern for blacks; it's just another political effort to bribe voters with other people's money – just like Paul Ryan trying to ensure the unending flow of Koch brothers money into Republican coffers by bringing in lots of cheap foreign labor.

But let's for a moment pretend that the whole idea of reparations for blacks, but not all the other groups who've been discriminated against, like, say, the Irish, makes sense.

The first question is, who should be paid? Obviously not blacks like Obama, who have not a drop of slave blood. The government would have to spend a fortune to find out what percentage of slave blood black Americans had to see how much each was owned. But it's worse than that. If someone is 50% white and 50% black slave ancestry, how much does white privilege offset the debt owed due to slavery?

Leftists will argue that since blacks have suffered persecution after slavery ended, all blacks should be reimbursed. That's an interesting point, so long as we ignore all the other "types" of Americans ranging from the Irish to the Japanese who have been persecuted, which we'll come back to in a bit.

The second question we'd need to ask is, who should pay?

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TOPICS: History; Society
KEYWORDS: reparations; slavery
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1 posted on 06/15/2018 8:53:53 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Blah blah blah... 40 acres and a mule, blah blah blah...


2 posted on 06/15/2018 8:55:16 AM PDT by Kriggerel ("All great truths are hard and bitter, but lies... are sweeter than wild honey" (Ragnar Redbeard))
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To: SeekAndFind

How Native American Slaveholders Complicate the Trail of Tears Narrative


3 posted on 06/15/2018 8:55:52 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Blacks should pay white tax payers back for all the freebies they have gotten over the years.


4 posted on 06/15/2018 8:56:03 AM PDT by VastRWCon (LARGE PRINT GIVE IT, small print take it away.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I say, if they want reparations, fine.

White folks will get all the money back in no time.


5 posted on 06/15/2018 8:56:52 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Kriggerel

In 1830 there were 3,775 free black people who owned 12,740 black slaves.

According to historian R. Halliburton Jr.:

There were approximately 319,599 free blacks in the United States in 1830. Approximately 13.7 per cent of the total black population was free. A significant number of these free blacks were the owners of slaves. The census of 1830 lists 3,775 free Negroes who owned a total of 12,760 slaves.


6 posted on 06/15/2018 8:57:22 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
The first question is, who should be paid?

Nobody.

[ mic drop ]

7 posted on 06/15/2018 8:58:28 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: VastRWCon

Brutal black-on-black slavery was common in Africa for thousands of years.

In fact A HUGE NUMBER OF SLAVES BROUGHT TO AMERICA WERE PURCHASED FROM BLACK OWNERS.

Historian Steven Mintz describes the situation more accurately in the introduction to his book African-American Voices: A Documentary Reader, 1619-1877:

Apologists for the African slave trade long argued that European traders did not enslave anyone: they simply purchased Africans who had already been enslaved and who otherwise would have been put to death. Thus, apologists claimed, the slave trade actually saved lives. Such claims represent a gross distortion of the facts. Some independent slave merchants did in fact stage raids on unprotected African villages and kidnap and enslave Africans. Most professional slave traders, however, set up bases along the west African coast where they purchased slaves from Africans in exchange for firearms and other goods. Before the end of the seventeenth century, England, France, Denmark, Holland, and Portugal had all established slave trading posts on the west African coast.

Yet to simply say that Europeans purchased people who had already been enslaved seriously distorts historical reality. While there had been a slave trade within Africa prior to the arrival of Europeans, the massive European demand for slaves and the introduction of firearms radically transformed west and central African society. A growing number of Africans were enslaved for petty debts or minor criminal or religious offenses or following unprovoked raids on unprotected villages. An increasing number of religious wars broke out with the goal of capturing slaves. European weapons made it easier to capture slaves.


8 posted on 06/15/2018 8:59:27 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Native Americans were here thousands of years before blacks ever showed up...Blacks who want reparations should be told to give everything they own to Native Americans...Let’s see how eager they are to give reparations to a victim group....


9 posted on 06/15/2018 9:00:14 AM PDT by Hambone 1934
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To: SeekAndFind

Mexico should pay. To several states for caring for their poor, housing and feeding their criminals, educating their citizens, health care for same.


10 posted on 06/15/2018 9:00:48 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: VastRWCon

Fred chimes in:

Fred Plops for Reparations. Sells Out to Race Hustlers

Posted on August 6, 2001 by Fred Reed

I see by the papers in the Yankee Capital that Johnny Cochran, and of course Jesse and Al, are wheezing and blowing like a county-fair calliope with a leaky boiler. They always are. This time it was about the need to pay reparations for the ravages trala of slavery. It got me to thinking.

I hate it when that happens.

Now, I know I’m hard-hearted, and mean-spirited, and no damn good. It’s probably my only virtue. But on consideration, I realized that they might be right. The ravages of slavery do run deep, and cause motingator trouble, with no end in sight. I decided that compensation was only reasonable. Sometimes you don’t like a conclusion, but you have to reach it. All right. I’ll be a man about it.

You can pay me reparations, Johnny.

To start with, I figure you owe me for three bicycles. Maybe it’s a small thing, but I’m tired of losing bicycles. Are we talking market value or replacement? What I really want to be paid for is having to keep my latest two-wheeler in my living room. Do you know how many times I’ve knocked the fool thing over? And, oh, the scratch in my granddad’s antique desk that the brake lever made. What’s that worth?

Call it three grand. OK? Direct deposit would be nice.

But . . . how do we dollarize cultural retrogression? God knows I appreciate your offer of reparations, but I’m having trouble with the arithmetic. Help me.

A few years back, my middle-school daughter brought home a horrendously misspelled science hand-out. Now, Johnny: You and I both know that it’s easy to make a typo, and write “phenylkeetone” instead of “phenylketone.” But “feemelkeebome” is stretching it. The errors were of this sort. An understanding of chemistry clearly had never rippled the serene surface of the woman’s mind.

Without thinking, I asked, “What color is your teacher?” (If I had thought carefully, I would have asked, “What color is your teacher?”) My daughter responded with an anguished, “Da-d-d-d-y!” She had made the connection, but knew she wasn’t supposed to.

I’ve got no problem with black teachers, if they are competent. No problem at all. But a teacher who is too ignorant to spell her subject, and too lazy to use a dictionary, ought to be flipping burgers. Simple burgers, with no moving parts. Thing is, we can’t fire ignorant teachers, Johnny, because of the lingering effects of slavery. I can yell at an ignorant white teacher, but not at a black one. To expect blacks to meet standards is racist. You can send me the price of four years of tuition in a private school outside the country.

What’s the cost of permanent welfare? Subsidized everything? Enormous police departments? What do you figure? Just add it to your tab. Have you thought about setting up an endowment?

But here’s a large ravage of slavery, Johnny: Fear.

What price do we put on looking over our shoulders? On watching to be sure we don’t go one subway stop too far? Warning our girlfriends not to drive on certain streets? Checking the clientele of Seven-Eleven before going in at night?

People in, say, Switzerland can walk their streets after dark. We can’t. Why? What have we got that they don’t, that might cause fear?

Elvis impersonators, Johnny. Yep. Switzerland doesn’t have any Elvis impersonators. Check for yourself.

What’s fear worth? Is it a minimum-wage job? Forty-hour week or twenty-four hours a day? Benefits? Seniority pay as people grow older, weaker, and less able to defend themselves? You see the actuarial difficulty. Accounting is a more difficult trade than you might think.

The white guy beaten to death 100 yards from my door last year ? they never caught the killers, but ? what you reckon, Johnny? Do you figure it was white Presbyterian women from the old-ladies’ home? That’s my guess. That’s who usually does it. Anyway, you can send me $540 for the Sig 9mm pistol I bought after blacks started moving into the neighborhood and crime went up. And ammo, carry permit, Hydra-Shock rounds.

Now, millions of honest blacks might write and say, “Fred, we aren’t criminals. Why should we pay for what other blacks do?” Splendid question. But of course whites say, “We don’t have any slaves. Why should we pay for what some other whites did?” If it is a reasonable question for blacks to ask, as indeed it is, why isn’t it a reasonable question for whites to ask?

But while you are in a mood to pay up, Johnny, let me introduce a useful concept: Civilizational rent. You’ll like this. It’s such a good idea.

A culture is essentially software. No? Sure, there are physical embodiments: positron-emission scanners, high-bypass turbofans, radar with Doppler beam-sharpening. Yet basically a culture is a body of knowledge, like Microsoft Word. (All right, throw in values. But I don’t want to make this too difficult.)

White guys invented these things at considerable cost. We had to. Europe doesn’t have much low-hanging fruit, and it gets cold in the north. So generations of people that I’m sure you’re familiar with ? Newton, Leibniz, Galois, Gauss, Carnot, Dirac ? did work that led to all kinds of useful . . . you know . . stuff.

Western civilization, it’s called.

As a result of slavery, you have been using our civilization without a license. (I know: You’re having trouble with the idea of implied retroactive acceptance of a license I invented five minutes ago. Microsoft would grasp it in a heartbeat. Anyway, I’m writing the column.)

Further, you’ve been using it for a long time, Johnny. Air-conditioning. Roads. Writing. The wheel. Complicated stuff like that. Medicine. Tractors. Shoes. Houses. I’ve spent time in Africa, where people live in stick things that look as if a Cub Scout had built a campfire and forgotten to light it. You’re getting a deal here, Johnny.

I don’t wish stick houses on anyone. I’m glad you have the benefits of electricity, clothes, and daytime TV. I’d love to see blacks study, earn degrees on their merits, prosper. Think of the trouble it would save. But ? as suggested by your manly desire to pay reparations — you owe us licensing fees. Granted, it’s hard to set a price on a culture. But if Microsoft Office goes for $250 at fire-sale prices, I guess a whole civilization is cheap at $100K a copy.

I believe we can do business, Johnny. I hope so. I can use the money.


11 posted on 06/15/2018 9:00:49 AM PDT by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm using my wife's account.)
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12 posted on 06/15/2018 9:01:32 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: SeekAndFind

When? Same time someone reimburses for travel food and lodging.


13 posted on 06/15/2018 9:01:39 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Could that possibly be immigrants from Asia?


14 posted on 06/15/2018 9:02:14 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: All

Pass it at your peril...


15 posted on 06/15/2018 9:02:27 AM PDT by rockrr ( Everything is different now...)
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To: robroys woman

Excellent rant!


16 posted on 06/15/2018 9:04:07 AM PDT by rockrr ( Everything is different now...)
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To: SeekAndFind

People sometimes bring up the payments made to Japanese Americans held in the internment camps in World War II.

But a key difference between potential slave reparations a d the Japanese Americans payments, is that payments went to the people who were actually in those camps. Whereas nobody alive today was ever a slave.


17 posted on 06/15/2018 9:04:54 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: SeekAndFind

We have paid out large amounts to Japanese families for ww2 interment, and American Indian tribes for repeatedly hosing them.
Blacks though are in a different category. For one, 600,000 white men died to free them. Two, we don’t have the money. Three, as a culture they lack the virtue to do anything good with money.


18 posted on 06/15/2018 9:05:42 AM PDT by lurk
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To: SeekAndFind

Do descendants of the Mayflower and other colonial descendants get to slam the Queen of England for sending people here as ‘bonded servants’.

Many colonials DID arrive here as bond servants and the servitude was real.

I guess someone here will beat that information into my brain for me


19 posted on 06/15/2018 9:06:45 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Nearly all men can stand adversity...to test a man's character, give him power." A. Lincoln)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ll go for one way tickets to the African nation of their choice.


20 posted on 06/15/2018 9:06:46 AM PDT by Kozak (DIVERSITY+PROXIMITY=CONFLICT)
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