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To: bagster
ME (previously): If history is a guide, no amount of broken predictions will convince most of the true believers that their faith is misplaced.

ME: (now) This was a general statement about the nature of true belief. I do feel that examples, like the one I gave of the failed prophecies of various 19th century preachers, are apropos. Sorry if that cuts a little too close to the bone for comfort, Bagster.

BAGSTER: (in italics) Cause we're ignorant sheep and cultists Jack?

I don't say that. Right now I think the most rational position is waiting. Only time will tell if people's faith in Q was misplaced or not. But even if Q is debunked in some sort of comprehensive way, I am sure that some people will keep on believing. People here have admitted that this is a religious belief for them.

Not enlightened beings like you, Jack?

Ha, ha, ha, ha ha. Look in the mirror, Bagster. You are the one who claimed to be "the lesser oracle", not me. You are the one who bragged only a few posts ago that "My powers are vast and beyond your comprehension. :) (OK, I note the smiley face, so I will take it as sarcastic --in part.)

Of course I don't claim to have any special knowledge! That's the entire theme of my writing on these threads.

Have you come among us to show us the way, Jack?

Hardly. In fact I've asked a you, as my main protagonist here, a few simple questions. I posted them on the previous thread, and I posted them on this thread. But still, no answers.

That is, of course, your choice. You are under no obligation to do so. However it does not bode well for your sincerity. You prefer to toss out rude littel asides and you keep on with ad-hominum attacks. In a formal debate, points are deducted for attacking the speaker and not the topic. This isn't a formal debate, I realize, but I try to maintain my principles.

A review of the last 50 or so posts will show that I take considerable time to answer any question or criticism sincrely put forward to me. For the most part I try to ignore mere insults, but on occasion I have fallen short of my goals on that.

My next set of questions will be addressed to the thread at large.

Perhaps there are others who are pilgrims on the journey who will take a sincere interest in communicating in good-faith about the questions which seem self-evident to me, and not just smashing me around for not being a part of the in-group of true believers.

Postscript: Someone did say: see what happens if Q is injected in a non-Q thread. I did see some quite rude responses on a non-Q thread to someone posting stuff, when I went to look.

So, the problem goes both ways.

I am trying to act a bridge, not a roadblock, to understanding. Starting with MY OWN.

Cheers!

515 posted on 06/11/2018 4:01:18 PM PDT by Jack Black (Redemption of our fallen Republic requires blood atonement.)
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To: Jack Black
Response A:

You: Blah, blah, blah, blah.

Me: STFU.

Response B:

People here have admitted that this is a religious belief for them.

It's bad form to start your propaganda off with a lie, Jack.

Me: Cause we're ignorant sheep and cultists Jack?
You: I don't say that.

No, Jack. You pointed at it.

Sorry if that cuts a little too close to the bone for comfort, Bagster.

Apology not accepted.

You are the one who claimed to be "the lesser oracle", not me.

I am no longer the Lesser Oracle. I am now "Our" Resident Guru of Q. Or hadn't you heard. Also, what's this "our". Do you name yourself a FReeQ now? I'm gonna have so see your papers, fella.

You are the one who bragged only a few posts ago that "My powers are vast and beyond your comprehension.

There was no sarcasm involved in that line, goodman. My powers ARE vast and beyond your comprehension. My gung fu is impenetrable and all-powerful. Do you notice how you are now outed as the anti-Q troll that you are? You had been pretending to be contributing to the thread for several days now, what with your stupid charts and pondering on the meaning of life and all things Q in a contemplative manner.

I chose to play along with your game and expose you. All I had to do was answer your pretend ignorant questions and then I asked you, on the last thread, if you trusted the plan. I knew what would happen, and here we are. The Penguin is revealed.

I've asked a you, as my main protagonist here,

Well, don't I feel special. But seriously, lighten up Francis. You take yourself WAY too seriously.

a few simple questions. I posted them on the previous thread, and I posted them on this thread. But still, no answers.

Honestly, Jack. If I thought your fake questions were in the least bit sincere, that you even had a shred of honesty in your inquiries, I would MAYBE entertain you. Like I did with another poster earlier today. But I know what you're about and I won't play. Out of one side of your neck, you say you don't know what the plan is, and out of the other, you tell us what it is.

You have a strange knowledge of your cherry picked Q posts and "predictions" while claiming ignorance of it all. Nukka, please.

In addition, why would I cozy up and take a "protagonist" under my wing, me being a guru of Q and all. My acolyte entourage currently has no vacancies. Have your people submit a resume to my people.

You prefer to toss out rude littel asides and you keep on with ad-hominum attacks.

Actually, and in all honesty, I was pretty cool to you while I was pretending to fall for your false sincerity. There were no so called ad hominems and if you say there was I will name you liar.

but on occasion I have fallen short of my goals on that.

You are THAT close to being the perfect man, Jack. Admirable.

In a formal debate, points are deducted for attacking the speaker and not the topic.

Please don't make the mistake that I care about your formal debate rules. This is obviously not a formal debate, as you point out. In fact, this thread is not about debating the veracity of Q, as you seem intent on doing. Over and over again. We are here to debate the meaning of Q's posts and reach consensus through interaction, research, and analysis. Talking to you is a complete waste of time and I won't continue much longer. We have important things to discuss here, and you are a distraction.

Perhaps there are others who are pilgrims on the journey...

Did you really just say that? Really???

I am trying to act a bridge, not a roadblock, to understanding. Starting with MY OWN.

And just as you started your propaganda with a lie, you end it with another. As the pilgrim who wonders the desert sees things that are false, lo he learns to speak contrary to the truth. (two can play this game, Jack).

Sincerely,
Your main protagonist and "our" Guru of Q.

Bagster

587 posted on 06/11/2018 4:56:02 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas.")
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