Posted on 05/04/2018 6:42:25 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
Leading elements of Union Major General George G. Meade's Army of the Potomac cross the Rapidan River. With a few hours they would clash with General Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia in the Battle of the Wilderness. Lieutenant General Grant's Overland Campaign had begun.
Any American patriot would agree with you. I don’t know what planet those other two are from...
Do you have any quotes from Southern leaders showing their views on the races were more enlightened than Lincoln’s?
“Aspirational to Davis but not to you? Hence the reference to 11?”
You are trying to pick a fight with me and I don’t know why.
Is it that you feel like you are on firmer ground here than when you repudiate the tenth amendment?
Just asking questions and trying to learn.
Is it that you feel like you are on firmer ground here than when you repudiate the tenth amendment?
Disagreeing with your interpretation is repudiating it?
“Do you have any quotes from Southern leaders showing their views on the races were more enlightened than Lincoln’s?”
Well, the Memphis Avalanche reported that one southern leader had this to say at a meeting of the Jubilee of Pole Bearers:
“Ladies and Gentlemen, I accept the flowers as a memento of reconciliation between the white and colored races of the Southern states. I accept it more particularly as it comes from a colored lady, for if there is any one on God’s earth who loves the ladies I believe it is myself. (Immense applause and laughter.) I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to elevate every man, to depress none.
(Applause.)
I want to elevate you to take positions in law offices, in stores, on farms, and wherever you are capable of going. I have not said anything about politics today. I don’t propose to say anything about politics. You have a right to elect whom you please; vote for the man you think best, and I think, when that is done, you and I are freemen. Do as you consider right and honest in electing men for office. I did not come here to make you a long speech, although invited to do so by you. I am not much of a speaker, and my business prevented me from preparing myself. I came to meet you as friends, and welcome you to the white people. I want you to come nearer to us. When I can serve you I will do so. We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment. Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. Go to work, be industrious, live honestly and act truly, and when you are oppressed I’ll come to your relief. I thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for this opportunity you have afforded me to be with you, and to assure you that I am with you in heart and in hand.” (Prolonged applause.)
“Do you have any quotes from Southern leaders showing their views on the races were more enlightened than Lincoln’s?”
Well, the Memphis Avalanche reported that one southern leader had this to say at a meeting of the Jubilee of Pole Bearers:
“Ladies and Gentlemen, I accept the flowers as a memento of reconciliation between the white and colored races of the Southern states. I accept it more particularly as it comes from a colored lady, for if there is any one on God’s earth who loves the ladies I believe it is myself. (Immense applause and laughter.) I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to elevate every man, to depress none.
(Applause.)
I want to elevate you to take positions in law offices, in stores, on farms, and wherever you are capable of going. I have not said anything about politics today. I don’t propose to say anything about politics. You have a right to elect whom you please; vote for the man you think best, and I think, when that is done, you and I are freemen. Do as you consider right and honest in electing men for office. I did not come here to make you a long speech, although invited to do so by you. I am not much of a speaker, and my business prevented me from preparing myself. I came to meet you as friends, and welcome you to the white people. I want you to come nearer to us. When I can serve you I will do so. We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment. Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. Go to work, be industrious, live honestly and act truly, and when you are oppressed I’ll come to your relief. I thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for this opportunity you have afforded me to be with you, and to assure you that I am with you in heart and in hand.” (Prolonged applause.)
I was hoping for one from before or during the rebellion. In fairness, who knows what Lincoln would have been saying about blacks had he lived through the war?
“In fairness, who knows what Lincoln would have been saying about blacks had he lived through the war?”
Lincoln would have been dockside saying, “Goodbye.”
Aren't you confusing Lincoln with Thomas Jefferson?
“Just asking questions and trying to learn.”
I can’t criticize you for that.
Not that I would anyway.
Is this a matter of debate for you? There were 11 states that joined the confederacy. Four or five (depending on how you define it) Union slave states stayed in the Union.
Of course you wouldn't.
Then why 13 stars on the Confederate flag? Eleven states and two spares?
“Aren’t you confusing Lincoln with Thomas Jefferson?”
Maybe I am confusing the two:
“Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better.”
“Then why 13 stars on the Confederate flag?”
Two were aspirational.
History shows Missouri and Kentucky didn’t do enough.
When it is time to revise the flag, we may take their two off or at least make them smaller.
Hey buddy, please stop including me in the “to:” section of your squabble with Doodle Dawg. Thank you.
Just exchanges with DD or everything?
Do you think you are? Your claim was that Lincoln would be waving goodbye on the pier. Then you post a quote which has nothing to do with that. So let me help you. Who do you suppose said the following, Lincoln or Jefferson?
"Amidst this prospect of evil, I am glad to see one good effect. It has brought the necessity of some plan of general emancipation & deportation more home to the minds of our people than it has ever been before...My proposition would be that the holders should give up all born after a certain day, past, present, or to come, that these should be placed under the guardianship of the State, and sent at a proper age to S. Domingo. There they are willing to receive them, & the shortness of the passage brings the deportation within the possible means of taxation aided by charitable contributions. In this I think Europe, which has forced this evil on us, and the Eastern states who have been it's chief instruments of importation, would be bound to give largely."
To you?
When it is time to revise the flag, we may take their two off or at least make them smaller.
When were you planning on doing that?
You can be a resident of Colorado. You may have been born in Colorado. You may own land in Colorado. But you better not light up a joint in broad daylight on the street in Milwaukee. Your Colorado residence doesn't mean you can ignore the laws of Wisconsin with impunity. States rights, baby!
[George Washington] obviously didn't agree that they could ban it in their state, but as a means of keeping peace withing a fragile coalition, he chose not to confront them on the point.
Obviously? Washington freed his slaves in his will. He was a product of slave society and reflected the views of slave owners of his day, but those views weren't the same as the views of slave owners 70 years later. Washington, like Mason and other revolutionaries didn't view slavery as a positive good and a permanent institution, but as something that would some day (somehow) be superseded and surpassed by society. So, no, it wasn't "obvious" that he'd object to Pennsylvania's laws or Pennsylvania's right to abolish slavery.
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