On this day in 1864

[servantboy777]

...and here we are, 154 years later, Warshington D.C., corrupt as hell.

[rockrr]

Yeah, and Ford is gonna quit making cars.

[Bull Snipe]

there are some things that war cannot fix.

[rdl6989]

The woods caught fire, adding to the carnage as many wounded men were burned alive by the advancing flames.

[jeffersondem]

“...and here we are, 154 years later, Warshington D.C., corrupt as hell.”

Unavoidable after the disaster at Appomattox.

[freedumb2003]

I wonder if this is going to be another one of those “let’s re-enact the Civil War aka War Between The States aka War of Noethun Aggression” threads...

[jmacusa]

Ford= Found On Road Dead. Fixed Or Repaired Daily.

[Rappini]

I guess Ford will be leaving NASCAR.

[Colonel Kangaroo]

If the Confederates had won we would have had two corrupt national capitals instead of just one.

[central_va]

Lieutenant General Grant's Overland Campaign had begun

Break out the whiskey.

[central_va]

If the Confederates had won we would have had two corrupt national capitals instead of just one.

Umm, the South is the conservative part of the USA in case you hadn't noticed The South would not be as corrupt as the Northern union. That is a preposterous statement you made. We would be 10 times better off without the swill of the North.

[Colonel Kangaroo]

The problem is if the Confederates had won, the government would have been in the business of supporting slavery which involves government big and intrusive. And it was not long ago that Southern govenment was so big it mandated who could drink out of certain water fountains.

[2banana]

Slavery was dying (even in the south) well before the Civil War.

Slaves were illegal to import in America for decades.

Only a small percentage of Southern whites even owned slaves.

Slavery was becoming an uneconomic model due to industrialization, standardization and vast increases in productivity, especially in agriculture.

It would have died naturally. Without the need for nearly a million Americans to die.

[servantboy777]

Just pretty damn proud the last battle of the war of northern aggression was fought Near Brownsville, Texas where the South handed the North a defeat.

Damn I love Texas!

[jeffersondem]

“Just pretty damn proud the last battle of the war of northern aggression was fought Near Brownsville, Texas where the South handed the North a defeat.”

That was the most recent battle; I am not sure the last battle of the war has been fought yet.

[hirn_man]

“Slaves were illegal to import in America for decades.”

This was just a form of protectionism. It kept slave prices artificially high for the domestic slave traders. Prices for slaves skyrocketed after the import was discontinued. The price of slaves also had something to do with the invention of the cotton gin. Prior to the cotton gin, the great bottle neck for cotton was picking the seeds out of the cotton bolls.

“Only a small percentage of Southern whites even owned slaves.”
Slaves were expensive and most people in the South were poor. Just because they didn’t own slaves doesn’t mean they didn’t aspire to enough wealth to afford some.

“Slavery was becoming an uneconomic model due to industrialization, standardization and vast increases in productivity, especially in agriculture.”
Slavery kept costs lower for the plantation owners. It also served to keep working white’s poor because the slave owners didn’t have to pay for services from free people.

“Slavery was dying (even in the south) well before the Civil War.”
Slavery wasn’t dying outside the South because it had been outlawed in the North. The border states that remained in the Union during the war were Southern states below the Mason Dixon line. In the South there was a thriving business in the slave trade.

[servantboy777]

lol....Right? Like a buddy of mine said, “It’s just halftime.”

[jeffersondem]

“If the Confederates had won we would have had two corrupt national capitals instead of just one.”

That is an interesting comment - one that clashes with the often-heard view that had the South won the Confederacy would have soon fallen apart as quarreling southern states separated over this, that, and the other.

Your view that a Confederate victory would have resulted in two permanent nations with two competing models of government has appeal to those who believe that government derives its just powers from the consent of the governed and not from bayonets.

If there were today two competing models of government from which to choose, perhaps Americans would not now be in desperate need of a second political party.

The “two permanent nations” view also rejects the idea that the Soviets would have won the Cold War because the north would not have joined the south to defeat socialism/communism.

[jeffersondem]

“The problem is if the Confederates had won, the government would have been in the business of supporting slavery which involves government big and intrusive.”

The slave states did write the national government into the business of supporting slavery.

Let's name the slave states: New York, New Jersey, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Delaware, and Maryland.

Also, Virginia, North and South Carolina, and Georgia were slave states.