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To: unlearner

Have it your way. You know it all anyway. I’m just glad I don’t have to go hiking with you.


149 posted on 05/02/2018 8:32:54 PM PDT by Mom MD ( .)
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To: Mom MD

“Have it your way. You know it all anyway. I’m just glad I don’t have to go hiking with you.”

That’s your takeaway? (By the way, the post you responded to is NOT to you.)

I SAID I WOULD DEFER TO MEDICAL EXPERTS IF PRESENT.

But that is apparently not good enough for you. It’s this sort of brain dead approach to life that leads to unnecessary accidents in the first place.
Glad you’re not my MD. I prefer doctors who read and think rather than have know-it-all knee-jerk reactions.

My father had a heart condition for which a heart specialist / surgeon (with a great reputation) said needed an immediate bypass surgery. He decided to get a second opinion, and the doctor pretty much became irate with him. Your attitude reminds me of that doctor. My father never had the surgery and lived decades with no medical issues. His heart improved with nothing more than rest, exercise, and a change of diet which my mom enforced.

I have an in-law who was prescribed low blood pressure medicine at 21 years of age. I asked him for details. He went in to the doctor for a bad cough. He had high blood pressure. He had been having high readings every time he went to the doctor. I asked him a few questions and did a little armchair research. Come to find out he had taken a decongestant before the doctor and she did not even ask if he had done so. So, at 21 years of age, she is ready to put him on life-altering medication. I had him monitor his blood pressure for a few days. Turns out doctors make him nervous and this was the cause of his high readings. Whenever he checked at home it was normal. He even did not need to make drastic changes to his sodium intake. Just bad medical advice.

I have had similar experiences with doctors who were baffled by an issue even though the doctors were thoroughly trained and experts in the area in question. And I’ve personally found that going to another doctor sometimes solved the problem easily because the second doctor had encountered the issue before. One such case I went to the first doctor several times before finally trying another. And the solution turned out to be extremely simple.

I’m not against doctors. But I am against doctors who think that their isolated experiences and training are the end all to medical science. If that’s the case they should start offering a money-back guarantee. Only pay if you’re cured. Doctors are professional consultants, not dictators. I hire doctors to supplement my own knowledge and awareness of my own health, not do a two-minute assessment and make life-determining decisions for me which I am supposedly too uneducated to understand, and I am just expected to take their word for it and do exactly everything they dictate.

“I have treated many snake bites.”

Good for you. I would certainly defer to your expertise if you were present and I or a family member were bitten. Just like I already said.

“The gentleman in question died due to an underlying heart condition.”

That could be anyone. Fear kills people also. It causes people to panic and make stupid decisions. The man’s fear might have had just as much to do with his heart failure as the venom. In any case, some people have been helped or at least come out of a venomous snake bite safely as the result of using the shock approach. Perhaps it does nothing and these people would have not been harmed anyway. Perhaps it only works with some specific types of venom. Perhaps it is purely a placebo, but if a placebo saves someone’s life because it calms them down and makes them think everything is going to be OK, then that’s also a good thing.

“If you choose to use an ineffective and likely harmful procedure that is up to you but time would be better spent seeking medical care.”

Something that takes 2 minutes and has very little downside in a scenario where the nearest help is 2 hours away I think is worth the risk. You are entitled to disagree and make blanket judgements about every scenario, and I am entitled to my opinion as well.

“Even if the bite is envenomnated you have hours not minutes to seek help and there are satellite devices that are inexpensive and can summon help even in the most remote areas. I would invest in one of those rather than a taser. And in the wilderness I carry a real gun that can help with 2 and 4 legged predators not a taser....”

There is no reason you can’t have all three.


167 posted on 05/02/2018 9:18:30 PM PDT by unlearner (A war is coming.)
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